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yping88

指纹 发表于 17-6-2013 23:12

                               
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没有办法否定你问的问题，如果@yping88 前文提到的故事主人公是我认识的人，甚至亲人，我也无法做任何判 ...

@指纹 I can appreciate the essence in both of your writing and your mentality.

yping88

MICHELLE07         + 50        我承认我写那层楼的时候流泪了

Your post touched my soul, Michelle! I'm so sorry you had to go through this appalling event feeling helpless and all alone. But, sometimes it's beyond what your young shoulders could carry.

newozer

吃饱了以后，大放厥词一番吧。。。

第一印象。。周猩猩更多是从感性角度考虑。。。也就是说。。指纹更多从理性考虑。。。

如果就本案而言，俺更倾向于指纹滴观点。。。。。。but......i'm not finished......

如果是俺滴亲友。。。很可能就另当别论了。。。

人，本来就是感性和理性的矛盾体。。。时而理性战胜感情。。。也有感情战胜理性。。。

俺还是那句话。。。听从自己的心就是了。。。

yping88

可惜我说不出话来。

"我就象那90岁的痴呆老人，无法说话、无法和你们联系。但我能看到，能感觉我存在、我活着。

如果我听到你们在讨论，要不要继续维持MICHELLE07这个ID？ 因为她已经不能登陆，不能发言，没有了生存意义。

如果，你们决定放弃我，你们说，我会愿意吗? "-----Michelle

You can always make a perfect point in a calm and simple way, @MICHELLE07  which makes you the type of person who will always show her assertiveness and determination without offending anyone. This is a higher spiritual level that most people can't achieve. I look up to you on this regard as well.

周星星1832

抱歉我无法继续这么沉重的话题。

我宁愿希望先走的那个人是我。

再见各位

tingnishuo

真是好贴！留印要多多拜读！

yping88

tingnishuo 发表于 18-6-2013 12:37

                               
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真是好贴！留印要多多拜读！

Welcome onboard, Tingnishuo! Please feel free to hang around, to witness what's going on. Whenever you feel like talking, we are all here to lend all ears to you.

If you live in melbourne, I wish you enjoy this beautiful day!

yping88

周星星1832 发表于 18-6-2013 08:49

                               
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抱歉我无法继续这么沉重的话题。

我宁愿希望先走的那个人是我。

Thank you for stopping by to share with us what's in your mind. I'll keep you posted on what's been decided on this case.

I will try not to beat up your belief system with the grave issues any more, are you happy to stick around in that case?

You are a soft soul, 周星星1832! Please be aware that your insights have been appreciated!

yping88

To be honest, when my time comes, I wish nobody would be confronted by this dilemma. As parents, we won't have so much material legacy to offer our daughter, but we won't put her or any other public officers in such a guilty situation, where the whatever decisions would keep haunting her soul with the queries "What if I do?" "What if I don't".

As an independent human being (Not just someone's daughter), she deserves to get on with her own life long, long, long after we are gone. Therefore, an advanced living-will would be taken effect long before we become mentally incompetent.

To tell you the truth, if I were in that guys shoes, I would refuse any invasive procedure done to me, especially that procedure wouldn't buy me any more quality of life.

Me, only me, in the human world, can decide what my end journey will be like, it bothers me very much to even think that my fate would be left in someone else's hand, especially when that choice is involved in the ethic paradox and push somebody's judgement capacity to the dead-end.

Having the medical resource redirected to whoever deserves more would be one last nice contribution I could make to this society if I had not done enough of my shares yet by then.

yping88

A beautiful end journey I have witnessed so far was in a 95-year-old nursing home resident. She had been active in every fields (Physically, socially and mentally) all along the way ever since she ended up in that nursing home.

One day, after noticing that she didn't turn up to a social event as scheduled, I went to her room to find that she sat on the couch, all limbs appeared floppy, and she was unable to stand up straight. Her last remarks to me was: "Sorry, honey! I don't think I can make it to that any more, I felt so tired and just wanted to be left alone."

I reported to the manager, who was well aware of what this resident's living will was and called her next of kin. They went to say goodbye to her and requested that her wishes be respected, informing us that after living her life to the fullest, dying peacefully would be what she always wanted. Two days later, that beautiful lady ended her last breath in this world with her relatives around her.

I would say, what heavenly an end-journey that was, anybody would be specially blessed to be granted that kind.  That was the first time I learnt that not all deaths were scary and terrible, some of them were absolutely peaceful.   

yping88

Since I took you all through an agony discussion over these two days, I feel obliged to put an end to it by revealing what the public advocacy decided for that gentleman.

He signed the consent for the invasive procedure to go ahead and that gentleman was discharged to nursing home with the pace-maker, not knowing what on earth was going on with himself.

Along the way, I had never asked the medical staff whether they went through some mental and emotional turbulence when coming up with the coming treatment. I didn't witness the meeting either when that public advocacy came along to sign the consent. So, it's not possible for me to appreciate any determination or hesitancy, if any, that could possibly give away his true feelings.  

指纹

I am always after a life style as simple as I wish, but it has never happened.

I would rather enjoy the exact moment than consider every single ethical impact to everyone around, or the "society", as long as what I choose does not hurt my family. But, who knows what would be the consequence in the future?

yping88

Regarding the questions (She was worried that her husband's care would be put in less priority and left compromised due to their poor affordability) I had been asked by that senior chinese lady, I wouldn't leave you in wonder any longer either.

I answered her in exactly the following words: I understand where exactly your concerns landed, because we came from the same country. But I can assure you that your husband's case won't treated with any less care just because of the poor affordability. Doctors are held accountable for whoever comes under their care. To all patients, doctors hold their duty of care under professional conducts. Not a single doctor would put his license and reputation in jeopardy for not coming up with the best treatment plan for the patients under his care. Otherwise, his practice will be suspended on the ground of negligence and failure to save a patient under his direct care.

But, regarding whether this bypass surgery should be carried out here or back home, they still need to weight out what could be beneficial to him if having it done here and what could be the worst outcome if done over there in china, again, it's all base on his severity rather than anything else.

Please have the faith in this health care system, not even a single authority dares to put the financial burden on doctors' shoulders while they are trying to save someone's life.

By the way, this gentleman is now on the way to recover from a big heart attack after cardiac interventional treatment (心脏冠脉介入治疗) and intra-aortic balloon bump (主动脉内球囊反搏) support. Bypass surgery was ruled out as the option based on how the lesions could be intervened less invasively.

yping88

Now, we should all be relieved and put a big smile back on. Hope these two stories would lead you all to picking up some faith in this health care system.

浮云云艾米莉

MICHELLE07 发表于 17-6-2013 22:20
呼叫失效可能是格式问题,ID后面必须是空格. @mite  @yearshappy  @x24  敬请阅读221楼并奉献高见. 谢谢!
...

美女轮不上，最多心灵美了。

But since you guys are in the flow, I intend not to intercept the discussion for two reasons:

1.  It's very difficult to read long paragraphs of English on this forum with the grey scale font.

2. I've been typing emails/papers/memorandum all day and would like to avoid it at all cost

Therefore, please go ahead without me

手机版没表情太桑感了

yping88

指纹 发表于 18-6-2013 14:23

                               
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I am always after a life style as simple as I wish, but it has never happened.

I would rather ...

That's right, @指纹 the life would never be as simple as you wished. To think about it, if it was, you wouldn't be here to tell us about your simple wishes.

Most of ordinary people lived their whole life without the mainstream society's notice in a far, far end of nowhere. They would never be able to tell the public what their wishes were, they just came and went totally unnoticed by the mainstream society. What simple and yet depressive life that was!

Now, you are here in FreeOz, to share your personal values on something ethically challenging, and still can clarify where your stands are. In this sense, your life will never be as simple as you always wished any more. Because you are known to us all by now, we would be happy with your happiness, which is just as your lovely little girl's picture would tell us. We would like to channel away your frustration over some situation, such as complaints about daily life, unfairness you might feel at work, etc.  

So, I'd say, being simple became something beyond what you could reach by now. Ever since you decided to pack up your past and  farewelled parents and the significant others that you hold dear, your life would never possibly be simple again.

Therefore, take it, accept it and make count your extraordinary Australia journey!

指纹

yping88 发表于 18-6-2013 19:27

                               
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That's right, @指纹 the life would never be as simple as you wished. To think about it, if it wa ...

Thanks @yping88 for your understanding and encouragement.

Yes I'm trying to accept whatever life has brought to me and enjoy it if I can, though I'm by no means a fatalist.

I believe I will enjoy a lot more with all you talents here in freeoz (not flattering). It is so much fun talking and playing joke with you guys.

newozer

怎么她们个个（指纹也包括你）都比俺英语好。。。实在是不好混。。。

指纹

newozer 发表于 18-6-2013 21:07

                               
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怎么她们个个（指纹也包括你）都比俺英语好。。。实在是不好混。。。

我准备花点儿时间背单词了

newozer

指纹 发表于 18-6-2013 21:25

                               
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我准备花点儿时间背单词了

背单词是俺最不愿意做滴事情。。。
俺喜欢直接拿来就用。。。

yping88

newozer 发表于 18-6-2013 21:07

                               
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怎么她们个个（指纹也包括你）都比俺英语好。。。实在是不好混。。。

NewOzer, you never know what you are capable of until you push yourself out of your comfort zone and jump into the adventures!

Each one of your posts brings on so much  joy to us all, your wonderful sense of humor has been appreciated (欣赏) and cherished all the way through this program.

Even in the depressed point, you lighted up the darkness and guided us out of that dim tunnel!

So, a big thank-you to you!

newozer

yping88 发表于 18-6-2013 21:33

                               
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NewOzer, you never know what you are capable of until you push yourself out of your comfort zone ...

Thank you.
奇怪，夸奖俺滴段落，俺读起来异常滴通顺，而且冒失很少有不认识滴单词。。。

yping88

newozer 发表于 18-6-2013 21:42

                               
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Thank you.
奇怪，夸奖俺滴段落，俺读起来异常滴通顺，而且冒失很少有不认识滴单词。。。

It sounds like being praised is your comfort zone then!

x24

yping88 发表于 16-6-2013 20:34

                               
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Hey, how's your weekend been so far?

I have been doing a lot of thinking recently about somethin ...

Thanks yping88 for bringing up this controversial topic, and her kind invitation.

I have found it a tricky and comprehensive question since it involves emotions, death, longevity, public decision, medicare, potential medical levy increment… (am I going too far?), and it will generally lead to hot debates.

By reading through the comments, I feel it would be wise to stay conservative on such topics in order not to irritate anybody.

But if I am living just to please others, that's not me.
Be silent, or speak up!

My point of view could not be simpler. "Try our best to save people's lives,
regardless of his own will."

If a person wants to commit suicide, prevent him.
If a person is mentally incompetent, and his guardian wants him to die, prevent him.

It has nothing to do with religion, or morality. It is just to respect the very nature of human being, to live.

When it comes to the real world, we still have to determine what is "best".
Please note that I didn't use the expression of "spare no efforts".

Think about the following scenarios,

To extend an individual's life for two years, spend trillions of dollars that could have been used to help thousands of refugees out of starvation?

To save an individual's life, take the risk of exposing hundreds of people to a fatal disease?

I bet most of us would say no.
Why? The real world is full of compromise.

Law is made by compromise, convention is also a compromise, and this topic is yet another compromise. It does not make sense to maximise one's interest by sacrificing the others, so the "best" here means the most efforts one can make with a bearable cost.

Then, getting back to this particular case, we can find that it is more of an economic question than a moral question, without the restriction of law and convention.

As long as the current action remains economic, there is no need to change. But when the time that it breaks the economical balance point comes, it is beyond our reach.

Hope my taking this radical stance will not hurt anyone. It may be right, and may not. Nobody is the judge, but time will tell.

yping88

x24 发表于 18-6-2013 21:45

                               
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Thanks yping88 for bringing up this controversial topic, and her kind invitation.

I have found  ...

All beautifully put, @x24 very much thoughts provoking. Your view reached every aspect that this particular case could possibly touch on.

I will get back to you on more of those visions being brought up in your post!   

yping88

To @x24

When it comes to the real world, we still have to determine what is "best".
Please note that I didn't use the expression of "spare no efforts".

"What is the best" sometimes sounds a bit vague, because it has to be made clear "for whom?". That's why many people take it extremely seriously when they nominate their power of attorney. They wouldn't nominate this legal guardian until they were absolutely convinced that this person would make the exactly same decision for them just as they would have themselves.

So, legally, whatever the power of attorney calls for, it would be considered the best one to the recipient's best interest! And nobody would judge this guardian's final decision, of course, no guardians would abuse this authority and trust either, at least, to my best knowledge, not even one did!

MICHELLE07

这世界需要妥协.
我先说两句中文来安慰一下小帅 @newozer  , 放心吧, 高手们在此云集, 观众席里有我陪你呢.
也谢谢你陪我和 @yping88 走过那么长寂寞的时间.

yping88

To @x24
To save an individual's life, take the risk of exposing hundreds of people to a fatal disease?

Only back home, we chinese did that! Because there is a moral slogan that goes "To save his life at all cost"
However, we all know, here in Australia, people hold different value. We are all made aware that our own life is the most valuable one, so keep ourselves safe before we can ensure others'.

That's why most rescue endeavors were called off if the rescue itself posted risk to the rescuer's safety.

I vividly remember reading something somewhere about fire safety policy in western culture. A chinese escaped a terrible fire without a hair touched, when he realized that his friends were still trapped inside, he tried to rush back in. But a firefighter stopped him and told him his doing that would put firefighters life in danger because he knew little about fire safety skills.

This chinese was brought up in a culture of "To save a life at all cost", so, he couldn't settle for just being a stander-by. He shouted at the firefighter: I could at least do something to help, couldn't I?

"Yeah, absolutely" the firefighter replied: "Just stand right here and yell at those escapers who got lost: Hey, come this way, I will show you the exit."

MICHELLE07

谢谢yping在281,283楼里分享了221楼和252楼的悬案后续发展.
大家的观点殊途同归,理性派和感性派握手言欢.
祝他们好运.

谢谢你把我们带入医疗世界. 我本来就很尊敬信任这个救死扶伤的行业,你的故事增添了我的好感.

MICHELLE07

周星星伤感离去,x24隆重登场,爱美丽的幽默把我击倒.

指纹同学最近超常发挥.

话说刚住进别墅, 正是激情燃烧的岁月...

真的...