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 楼主| 发表于 25-10-2015 05:15:00 | 只看该作者
jsonp 发表于 25-10-2015 00:58
so English is your mother language?
with so many grammar errors, IELTS writing score would be less  ...

I took IELTS test twice, and got writing score 6.5 in each time.

I mentioned my mother tongue a few times in previous posts, if your conclusion is "English is my mother tongue", I would inter, your IELTS score might be too high~~

Though there's no doubt English has been my main language in both work and life~~ should I say enjoy your mother tongue Mandarin, if applicable?
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 楼主| 发表于 25-10-2015 05:19:36 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 ScientificAmeri 于 25-10-2015 05:21 编辑
Kemang 发表于 24-10-2015 14:38
楼主第一次和最后一次考雅思时写作分数各是多少啊?


I can't understand so many spending time on taking English tests just for a place without good career prospect, compared to NZ which doesn't require a very high mark.

None of my classmates in US took English test for immigration and they never thought of moving to Australia even when they hadn't yet secured a job. The reason is not about taking English test or not, but none of them believe they are able to get a suitable job in this country, which is the decisive difference between the 2 kinds of people I think.
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发表于 25-10-2015 06:53:19 | 只看该作者
melody_iic 发表于 24-10-2015 09:49
收回你的JB
不然剁了不赔

施氏食狮史介不纯牌凑字的哇

中国有狮子么

英文翻译简单啊
full of shit
that's bullshit!

还是古文好啊,简称为然并卵
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 楼主| 发表于 25-10-2015 10:02:05 | 只看该作者
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politi ... p;objectid=11534667

John Key might envy his PRC counterpart, Mr Xi, who doesn't need any public opinion but just sign a "chairman command" straightforward~~
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发表于 25-10-2015 20:27:24 | 只看该作者
ScientificAmeri 发表于 25-10-2015 05:15
I took IELTS test twice, and got writing score 6.5 in each time.

I mentioned my mother tongue a ...

since English is your main language, i'd feel your language ability is below-par.

though English is my second language, my IELTS result was 8 8 7 7
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发表于 26-10-2015 02:19:09 | 只看该作者
ScientificAmeri 发表于 25-10-2015 05:19
I can't understand so many spending time on taking English tests just for a place without good c ...

楼主的雅思写作还是蛮不错的分数。不过看你的写作总是别别扭扭的,并且我的直觉是楼主说普通话也带有浓重的口音。我猜得对不对?嘿嘿
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发表于 26-10-2015 06:37:57 | 只看该作者
ScientificAmeri 发表于 25-10-2015 10:02
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11534667

John Key might env ...

你是想谈工作呢,还是想谈土共?
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发表于 26-10-2015 06:39:34 | 只看该作者
jsonp 发表于 25-10-2015 20:27
since English is your main language, i'd feel your language ability is below-par.

though Englis ...

你英文也不地道啊

@chubbycat what do you think?
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发表于 26-10-2015 06:45:50 | 只看该作者
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发表于 26-10-2015 06:59:31 | 只看该作者
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发表于 26-10-2015 07:46:34 | 只看该作者
dcxg 发表于 25-10-2015 11:59
thewall 英文好哇

yes absolutely
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发表于 26-10-2015 07:54:12 | 只看该作者
楼主内个意思就是澳纽不缺it,门槛不高
大家没事就要练好英文

再怎么烂的英文,只要敢说就行!

你们都get the point木有啊?
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 楼主| 发表于 26-10-2015 20:05:28 | 只看该作者
dcxg 发表于 26-10-2015 06:39
你英文也不地道啊

@chubbycat what do you think?

I've already found that those liking to boast their English levels are always the guys who mostly use Mandarin.

Why? If they keep working and talking with whites, they would never have chance to think of "if my English is better than others", as I heard one Indian told me, we see Chinese people speaking English with different levels but no Indian people considers English as a skill as everyone(educated) speaks it fluently.
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发表于 26-10-2015 20:07:51 | 只看该作者
ScientificAmeri 发表于 26-10-2015 20:05
I've already found that those liking to boast their English levels are always the guys who mostly  ...

三哥们的烂英文啊

就是比咱们多知道几个单词啊

不要自卑,只要copy就好

鹦鹉学舌懂不懂?
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 楼主| 发表于 26-10-2015 20:21:59 | 只看该作者
dcxg 发表于 26-10-2015 07:54
楼主内个意思就是澳纽不缺it,门槛不高
大家没事就要练好英文

Those are the typical Chinese guy I would criticize: taking English as a skill of themselves while trying to look down on others they perceives worse.

Just look at those in Qualcomm or NASA if they are interested to compare the English proficiency?

Not surprisingly, the guys working in English language school like English test best, simply because they live on that kind of stuff. They are actually redundant people in the society, their existence reflects the fact they benefits from the linguistic barrier imposed by authorities such as the communist.

If I say we wish the English becomes the medium of standard of all the countries including China, they would definitely oppose it! And there's no doubt they support the official status of Mandarin.

They actually do not like western perceptions or science/technology, what they favor here is they can get some superiority to those who were taught in PRC! If everybody speaks English as fluently as that in India they would suddenly becomes fools. Frankly I hate English teachers in China, along with "political teachers".

Everybody can speaks fluently with their first language, which is not a skill like math or physics. Because of the linguistic barreir created by some regimes, "English education" thrives based on other's pain. (I still remember when I was young how hard I struggled to read Direct3D SDK document). As the same educated people, why my right to freely read technical documents was deprived because of the Mandarin education, since which I realized we were mentally raped whereas those English tutors were able to take advantage from us.

I'll have an discuss about that topic later when I get free.

As a result, I never use Mandarin the colonial language on which I'd been a victim on receiving knowledge from the free world. I appreciate that I already work and live in a English speaking society where nobody is able to force us to use Mandarin any longer!
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 楼主| 发表于 26-10-2015 20:23:04 | 只看该作者
dcxg 发表于 26-10-2015 06:37
你是想谈工作呢,还是想谈土共?

Both :-) you know what kind of person I am.
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 楼主| 发表于 26-10-2015 20:28:35 | 只看该作者
dcxg 发表于 26-10-2015 07:54
楼主内个意思就是澳纽不缺it,门槛不高
大家没事就要练好英文

Interestingly my English has only been criticized by Chinese guys.

To be fair, compared to Japanese people, English-speaking people are less tolerant of bad speakers, if your English is really too poor they wouldn't like to talk with you. If my English is indeed that bad would I be hired by any NZ firm?

While Japanese people knowing their language is not the international standard, would kindly talk to you even if you just speak little Japanese.
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 楼主| 发表于 26-10-2015 20:31:54 | 只看该作者
dcxg 发表于 26-10-2015 07:54
楼主内个意思就是澳纽不缺it,门槛不高
大家没事就要练好英文

Furthermore, it's about a sort of respect and fairness.

I used to talk with a Cantonese guy who doesn't speak Mandarin very well. I suggested why not use English since neither takes Mandarin as mother tongue.

That's what happens in India, Hindi speakers have no right to force southern Indians to learn Hindi.
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 楼主| 发表于 26-10-2015 20:38:59 | 只看该作者
dcxg 发表于 26-10-2015 07:54
楼主内个意思就是澳纽不缺it,门槛不高
大家没事就要练好英文

When I was in my former company in China, when I worked as a technical lead, I launched an English campaign, encouraging members in our team aggressively use English as much as possible, as all the teams took the book "definitive guides to ARM Cortex M3" as development reference, some had already expressed difficulty reading much of the book.

In particular during technical meeting or presentation, I tried to speak English, and my members felt happy.

China should be a society like that, which is not impossible, but just deliberately ignorantized by the regime, we all know why, don't we? If all the technical people speak English like their India counterparts, who would stay in PRC any more, except 5 mao.
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发表于 26-10-2015 20:40:03 | 只看该作者
ScientificAmeri 发表于 26-10-2015 20:31
Furthermore, it's about a sort of respect and fairness.

I used to talk with a Cantonese guy who ...

脸皮要厚点

林子大啦什么鸟都有
玻璃心不行
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发表于 26-10-2015 20:43:38 | 只看该作者
ScientificAmeri 发表于 26-10-2015 20:38
When I was in my former company in China, when I worked as a technical lead, I launched an English ...

因为咱们都没赶上神马好时代

学习最踏马次的,最后都当上了人民教师!
人民教师的工资还不低

介么次的老师就别指望能教出好的英文啦

说实在的,我比较鄙视人民教师
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 楼主| 发表于 26-10-2015 20:51:38 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 ScientificAmeri 于 26-10-2015 20:58 编辑
dcxg 发表于 26-10-2015 20:40
脸皮要厚点

林子大啦什么鸟都有


It's not hard to infer the perspective of (some, not all) native Mandarin speakers. They are used to the superiority to Shanghainese, Cantonese, Fukkienese in China as it's a norm that all of latter MUST learn former's mother tongue, not because of their scientific/economic advantages but just because they are descendants of Monglolian/Manchurian who dominated China for centuries. They enjoy such superiority in China just like American in the world. But when we left China, it's necessary to tell them: your force-based superiority vanished.

I once talked with my Taiwanese friends, so many of you guys are calling for change of the national name, or national flag, all of which are no more than ideology. Why don't you guys abolish Mandarin, the colonial language of hostile state, in favor of English? They do have strengthened the influence of Taiwanese language, but few thinks it can be used as a suitable medium of instructions in modern time.

Those are untold story in China, almost no Chinese student knows Mandarin originates from the barbaric language other than Chinese majority, and the difference between Cantonese and Mandarin is equivalent to that between English and German. They are told that they are learning a "national language" to replace their "dialects".

I wish to tell the truth to public to enlighten more and more Chinese people.
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 楼主| 发表于 26-10-2015 21:07:47 | 只看该作者
dcxg 发表于 26-10-2015 20:43
因为咱们都没赶上神马好时代

学习最踏马次的,最后都当上了人民教师!

Interestingly, I hated English a lot when I was in high school, thanks to the problematic English education system (on which I'm going to have a separate discussion)

I just try my hard to learn English when I understood the truth: Mandarin is an invisible tool to enslave Chinese people, along with other brainwash methods.

Another events shocked me is, when Xiaobo Liu was interviewed by western journalist, he said the most pity thing for him is he can write in Mandarin only, so that non-Chinese people can't read his work directly.

I never write in Mandarin since then. I need to be a human being on this planet, rather than a slave in an isolated "Chinese featured" state.

I like to say, when I speak Mandarin I realize I'm a PRC citizen. When I speak Japanese I realize I'm and Asian (indeed I used to be a racist favoring Japanese ideology), when I speak English, I'm an Earth citizen.
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发表于 27-10-2015 05:06:22 | 只看该作者
Hello everyone, can we back to the topic please?
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 楼主| 发表于 27-10-2015 05:45:38 | 只看该作者
DDD888 发表于 27-10-2015 05:06
Hello everyone, can we back to the topic please?

Are you a Cantonese speaker, as I saw you like using the term "lah"?
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发表于 27-10-2015 06:04:28 | 只看该作者
ScientificAmeri 发表于 26-10-2015 21:07
Interestingly, I hated English a lot when I was in high school, thanks to the problematic English  ...

因噎废食哈

好比一种嫁接的艺术
植物本来就有其天生的气质与土壤

可以抛离,但不是常态
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发表于 27-10-2015 06:06:04 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 dcxg 于 27-10-2015 06:18 编辑

哥也恨英文,介玩意儿,完全没有神马艺术性可言

中文的美,需要一定的积累,达到一定的物质层次才行?

英文它不神秘,工具而已
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发表于 27-10-2015 06:10:28 | 只看该作者
ScientificAmeri 发表于 27-10-2015 05:45
Are you a Cantonese speaker, as I saw you like using the term "lah"?

我是上海人
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发表于 27-10-2015 06:11:47 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 DDD888 于 27-10-2015 06:21 编辑
dcxg 发表于 27-10-2015 06:06
哥也恨英文,介玩意儿,完全没有神马艺术性可言

中文的美,需要一定的积累,达到一定的物质层次才行?


英文挺好的,看英文电影多开心啊
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发表于 27-10-2015 06:14:51 | 只看该作者
DDD888 发表于 27-10-2015 06:11
英文挺好的的,看英文电影多开心啊

完全没耐心看下去
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