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发表于 18-6-2016 21:25:16 | 只看该作者
ScientificAmeri 发表于 18-6-2016 19:44
You probably haven't got my point.

That is to say, I may be killed by the earthquake/volcanic e ...

不怕不擔憂是一回事, 不過, 沒理由的去冒險, 智者不為, 就像OZ, NZ 都可以選的話, 當然選一個自己更喜歡的囉, 不然的話, 你也不會到NZ來, 而不是留在中國了, 不是嗎?
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发表于 18-6-2016 21:30:25 | 只看该作者
ScientificAmeri 发表于 18-6-2016 19:48
Yes, any body can be enlightened at any time under any condition, though I doubt those benefit rec ...

什麼叫enlighten? 每個人, 不同時間的enlighten都不一定一樣啊, 說不定,將來的你, 又不是這麼想了, 當然, 你也可能一直這麼想.  人家認為的受苦, 對某人是喜悅, 而有些人喜歡的事, 卻是某些人的痛苦.  
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发表于 19-6-2016 10:52:20 | 只看该作者
sdcmc 发表于 18-6-2016 20:25
不怕不擔憂是一回事, 不過, 沒理由的去冒險, 智者不為, 就像OZ, NZ 都可以選的話, 當然選一個自己更喜歡 ...

It's not fair to say I came to NZ because I liked it. I never aim for a life that relying on welfare or housing bubble rather than innovative hard-work, I even don't agree on the idea universal medicare (just like those in the US against Obamacare).

Meanwhile I couldn't accept the live in China, not for financial reason, but lack of freedom, and to a lesser extent, I like to use the universal language in science/tech as my main language in life. So eventually I gave up the plan of migrating to Japan but a English-speaking state.

Well, the fact is I had no choice, ineligible to the US, having passed the age to pursue the phD in Science, otherwise it's very hard to get a job in the US without work permit, let alone the green card, for a bachelor degree holder.

I was mentally suffering a lot when in China, I hated that regime which deprived my right to access Internet as well as overseas medium, keeping brainwashing people with its nationalism ideology to keep Chinese people in an isolated space culturally and mentally. I once swore, if I failed to move out of China, I would prefer suicide - a death with dignity rather than the life as a slave under the communist. I was fearful, being cautious when talking about anything in public or online, knowing not few were arrested due to their comments online.

However I realized a lot after I came to NZ as a resident, which is the taught of Zen. I no longer feel it's necessary to live under pressure even if still in China - no need to fear, even the communist, chairman Xi caught and beheaded me, it's OK. Sooner or later I would die, from a rational point of view, no need to hate anyone murdering me. Though in reality I may never happen since I no longer go back to China, I would die of any other reason anytime, so what's the difference?

Once you realize even death is not a issue you try to avoid, I don't think you have anything to worry about. That's the true happiness.
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发表于 19-6-2016 10:58:33 | 只看该作者
sdcmc 发表于 18-6-2016 20:30
什麼叫enlighten? 每個人, 不同時間的enlighten都不一定一樣啊, 說不定,將來的你, 又不是這麼想了, 當然, ...

Well, no need to debate what "enlightenment" is, just like the right/wrong perception I mentioned earlier, it's all in your heart. If you care about "to won the debate", pretty easy you just lie, claiming you are enlightened, while nobody else can verify your heart.

But for ourselves, it's the easiest to know the fact: just ask myself, is my heart as peaceful as the water without any wave (just like the time when I typing these words), without any motive to gain profit or cheat others?

If you do feel that at anytime, you enjoy the ultimate happiness and is called enlightened.

I don't think any one can upset me, for instance~~
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发表于 19-6-2016 11:06:59 | 只看该作者
sdcmc 发表于 18-6-2016 20:30
什麼叫enlighten? 每個人, 不同時間的enlighten都不一定一樣啊, 說不定,將來的你, 又不是這麼想了, 當然, ...

The 受苦 or 喜悅 in your words, you need to note the essence not the seeming phenomenon.

If say, I'm buying Lotte, for instance, following a long period of failure I won $500K! So you believe I got "喜悅" then?

Definitely not, instead I suffer more as I was attached firmly to the profit of gamble. I become weaker, because I expect more money! If I fail to attain more in that way, I'll be upset~~

Any of those  "喜悅" is like drink/smoking, which a person pursuing happiness should keep away from.

I'm indeed poor financially, owning no property. But I'm happier than those who already own and still busy with investment/auctions. I'd like to say, lucky to be financially "poor". I'm in fact rich spiritually.
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发表于 20-6-2016 01:24:29 | 只看该作者
ScientificAmeri 发表于 19-6-2016 09:58
Well, no need to debate what "enlightenment" is, just like the right/wrong perception I mentioned  ...

但你表現出來的, 不象啊, 反而很偏激, 很執著. 執著於平靜, 執著於別人不enlightenment什麼的, 如果還要
分enlightenment,不enlightenment, 那又怎麼算enlightenment
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发表于 20-6-2016 01:30:34 | 只看该作者
ScientificAmeri 发表于 19-6-2016 10:06
The 受苦 or 喜悅 in your words, you need to note the essence not the seeming phenomenon.

If say ...

我覺得, 喜悅, 就是喜悅, 不需刻意追逐, 但來了就是來了, 沒有必要因為他是喜悅而去逃避.
不是說有財必然快樂, 但沒財也不一定比有財快樂啊, 你一直在說,因為你比較沒錢, 可是比很多有錢的人
內心更快樂,富裕,  這已經是一個執著了.
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发表于 20-6-2016 01:36:16 | 只看该作者
ScientificAmeri 发表于 19-6-2016 09:52
It's not fair to say I came to NZ because I liked it. I never aim for a life that relying on welfa ...

NZ只是個例子, 只是你是選擇了一個地方, 然後捨棄了一個地方, 原因當然是怕或不喜歡啦.
還有DEATH從來不是最可怕的, 這個只是最基本的enlightenment1 吧.   等你到達enlightenment 2 級別的時候,
或者有其他的領悟吧.
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发表于 20-6-2016 06:43:07 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 ScientificAmeri 于 20-6-2016 06:02 编辑
sdcmc 发表于 20-6-2016 00:24
但你表現出來的, 不象啊, 反而很偏激, 很執著. 執著於平靜, 執著於別人不enlightenment什麼的, 如果還要
...


I'm just rational, the core spirit of Zen is absolute rationality, which is why most people in the world can't accept... I know many people (especially Chinese) like to call this unaccepted rationality "偏激", just because you don't like that opinion.

I'm not desperately seeking internal peacefuless, otherwise you'd never get it. If I don't understand this point how can I say those above :-)

The peacefulness is the state I've already obtained, that's the reason I don't pursue any private desire like money/status, etc, which would lead me to lose such state.
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发表于 20-6-2016 06:53:07 | 只看该作者
sdcmc 发表于 20-6-2016 00:30
我覺得, 喜悅, 就是喜悅, 不需刻意追逐, 但來了就是來了, 沒有必要因為他是喜悅而去逃避.
不是說有財必 ...

You are in a typical situation, what still want to compete with others, to prove who is who is happy, enlightened.

I already said my definition (or that according to Zen) is the internal peaceful, just think of the scenario when you are keen on money/women, will you have it?  Well, you can simply deny such definition, and assert you are "happy" with your money/houses/women, but that's not what I care about - you'd be on a different track ~~

If you keen to prove that, I'm not enlightened or not, that's definitely not a enlightenment status. I've told the rule to check it (not to me, to everyone), check your heart. Since nobody else knows your own heart, you know?

It's not doing business, through which I may steal money from you, and the money is the ultimate goal in that case. You obviously can pretend to be in peaceful already, but you'll actually get nothing but suffering more from such behavior. Tell me if it's true :-)

Again, you are unable to disturb my peacefulness, nor irritate me, because I'm "strong" - abandoned the attach on money/tangible treasure/women. I know you may not believe I don't want a $500K Lotte, but it's true (if I'm lying, I should be suffering at the moment :-)
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发表于 20-6-2016 06:55:38 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 ScientificAmeri 于 20-6-2016 05:59 编辑
sdcmc 发表于 20-6-2016 00:36
NZ只是個例子, 只是你是選擇了一個地方, 然後捨棄了一個地方, 原因當然是怕或不喜歡啦.
還有DEATH從來 ...


"還有DEATH從來不是最可怕的"

I surely agree, but not for most others.

I don't need to abandon "NZ", NZ is not mine, in fact I own nothing. You abandon something only if you've owned it already. Obviously I'm free to travel anywhere, if you think you are attached to some places (you perceive that's "your" place), that's suffering. The universe, the sky, the land are existing matters, it doesn't belong to anyone, although in commercial world, it's considered so.

I'm happy to have your teaching/experience on how to achieve the level 2 enlightenment, though frankly I doubt if you've achieved the level 1 already. But still OK, feel free to talk please.
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发表于 20-6-2016 07:04:55 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 ScientificAmeri 于 20-6-2016 06:10 编辑
sdcmc 发表于 18-6-2016 20:25
不怕不擔憂是一回事, 不過, 沒理由的去冒險, 智者不為, 就像OZ, NZ 都可以選的話, 當然選一個自己更喜歡 ...


"沒理由的去冒險, 智者不為"

We are taking adventure all the time. Unless you say you are not working not going outside, never driver, never walk across the read.... even in that case you may still die of earthquake or other natural disasters at any time, I know you may avoid facing such, to make you "happy", am I right?

I reckon you received such concept from Taoism, which I did as well.

People practicing Taosim are still far from enlightment, according to my experience.
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发表于 20-6-2016 07:07:16 | 只看该作者
sdcmc 发表于 20-6-2016 00:30
我覺得, 喜悅, 就是喜悅, 不需刻意追逐, 但來了就是來了, 沒有必要因為他是喜悅而去逃避.
不是說有財必 ...

You need to make clear of your definition "喜悅" is before tackling this topic.

You still think $500K Lotte is a kind of "喜悅" right?

Likewise, Taoists consider long-lifespan is "喜悅".

Both are suffering.
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发表于 20-6-2016 07:17:55 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 ScientificAmeri 于 20-6-2016 06:20 编辑
sdcmc 发表于 20-6-2016 00:30
我覺得, 喜悅, 就是喜悅, 不需刻意追逐, 但來了就是來了, 沒有必要因為他是喜悅而去逃避.
不是說有財必 ...


"你一直在說,因為你比較沒錢, 可是比很多有錢的人
內心更快樂,富裕,  這已經是一個執著了"

Answer your last question (you see I never avoid any issue anyone raised, feel free to question).

I knew a few rich guys, and I already feel their feelings from heart, though they financially own much, they suffer. That is not to say, I'm happy because of my poverty. Sure lots of poor people are equally suffering. But one thing is clear if you refuse to abandon those stuff, you never get enlightenment. Some people did more or less realize this after they became rich, like Bill Gates is to donate all his wealth after death.

You can simply perceive that as, well, in fact, I envy those rich people's wealth, I just pretend to be happy, I'm actually more keen on money. Right?
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发表于 20-6-2016 07:25:44 | 只看该作者
DDD888 发表于 16-6-2016 17:41
What did you try to say?

The only thing I see is the number 1 city not affordable is 1        Shenzhe ...

Yes, more affordable compared to those 3rd world countries, which I mentioned already.

One remarkable point is the extreme disparity between poor and rich in those countries, like someone (if not many) working in IT field in Beijing earn more than I do in NZ. Those guys's case can't represent "Chinese's income".

I bet you'd find a indian guy working in multinational countries tell you that house there is much cheaper (which doesn't comply with the ranking) for the same reason.
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发表于 24-6-2016 14:16:52 | 只看该作者
ScientificAmeri 发表于 20-6-2016 06:17
"你一直在說,因為你比較沒錢, 可是比很多有錢的人
內心更快樂,富裕,  這已經是一個執著了"

你認識一些人, 你的感覺.
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发表于 24-6-2016 14:18:44 | 只看该作者
ScientificAmeri 发表于 20-6-2016 05:43
I'm just rational, the core spirit of Zen is absolute rationality, which is why most people in t ...

你的RATIONAL, 在我看來,很不RATIONAL啊
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发表于 24-6-2016 14:20:58 | 只看该作者
ScientificAmeri 发表于 20-6-2016 05:53
You are in a typical situation, what still want to compete with others, to prove who is who is hap ...

我就沒想過誰 enlightened,  倒是你在說誰誰誰enlightened, 誰沒有. 還是要根據你的感覺.
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发表于 24-6-2016 14:22:38 | 只看该作者
ScientificAmeri 发表于 20-6-2016 05:55
"還有DEATH從來不是最可怕的"

I surely agree, but not for most others.

難道你不到enlightenment這回事, 只能意會嗎?
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发表于 24-6-2016 14:24:53 | 只看该作者
ScientificAmeri 发表于 20-6-2016 06:04
"沒理由的去冒險, 智者不為"

We are taking adventure all the time. Unless you say you are not w ...

這個, 明知道高風險而去, 和不走運低風險碰到, 是兩回事吧.
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发表于 24-6-2016 14:26:17 | 只看该作者
ScientificAmeri 发表于 20-6-2016 06:07
You need to make clear of your definition "喜悅" is before tackling this topic.

You still think ...

你為了不中500K而喜悅, 為了中500K而SUFFER?
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