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Proposed principles for a new MODL
The previous section outlined the need for a new MODL, one designed to deliver high
value, nation building skills for Australia through an independent visa program that is not
the major source of skilled migration, but supports a demand driven employer and State
sponsored skilled program. This section puts forward some broad principles that would
underpin a new MODL to give this effect.
The objective of a new MODL is to identify applicants for skilled migration who have the
best prospects for making a productive contribution to Australia due to their high level skills
which correspond strongly to Australia’s ongoing needs.
The MODL should be the primary migration instrument for identifying longer term skills
needed in independent migrants. This recognises the role of the permanent and temporary
sponsored visa classes in meeting the immediate and short-term skill requirements of
employers.
Sponsored applicants will remain first priority in the GSM program. That reinforces the
importance of MODL as the main selection mechanism for the balance of places available
in the skilled stream. Introduction of the new MODL will involve phasing out the existing
MODL and the CSL, with transition arrangements to be determined.
i) The MODL targets skills of high economic value to Australia
Skills are acquired through a mixture of education and training and experience. For
individuals, there are strong returns to education, especially at graduate and post-graduate
level, and to occupational tenure.
From the perspective of the economy skills of high value are likely to be those which are:
• highly specialised, occupation specific and taking a long time to learn
• vital in production, distribution processes or service industries
• deployed for the uses intended
• likely to underpin innovation or improved productivity.
A key question is whether eligibility for occupations to be included on MODL should be
restricted to 60 point occupations. Currently, for occupations which attract 40 or 50 point
occupations, the skills assessment is general, that is, it determines whether an applicant
has the level of education required to work in the occupation in Australia and does not
include a consideration of the suitability of that education to the nominated occupation.
While the economic value of some occupations which attract only 50 or 40 points may be
unquestioned, if applicants are unable to work in their nominated occupation or another
equally skilled position, they are prevented from being of high economic value as defined
above.
The issues of skill level and value are sometimes difficult to measure, and there are a
number of options about how we regard the level of skill and economic value of each
occupation. The extent to which the MODL should play a part in contributing skills to the
Australian labour market in occupations for which shortages have been persistent also
requires consideration.
Select skills: principles for a new MODL 25
The ANZSCO includes a concept of skill level, ranking occupations according to a five point
scale. The application of the skill levels in ANZSCO is based on advice from employers,
training bodies, professional associations and others but examination of educational
attainment data from the ABS Survey of Education and Work suggests the skill level
allocations in ANZSCO are indicative in nature.
Assessment of economic value could be considered to be reflected in what employers are
prepared to pay for skills. An earnings threshold below which occupations could not be
placed on the MODL could be considered. This is presently applied to occupational lists in
both New Zealand and the United Kingdom. Concerns about this relate to issues around
payment for hours and conditions of employment such as compensation for split shifts,
dangerous conditions and work in particular locations as well as persistence of shortages in
some key, but relatively low paying occupations which market mechanisms have not
addressed. It is also important that the independent skilled stream does not create
incentives to undermine the salary floor being introduced for temporary sponsored skilled
migrants through the 457 visa regime.
An alternative option for determining high value would be to specify a mixture of required
qualifications and occupational experience. This is already done to an extent but further
development of this concept could be considered.
Research undertaken by DEEWR indicates employers’ unmet skill needs are generally for
workers who have significant relevant experience.
Should the focus of the MODL be broadened in this way, it may also be appropriate to
rename the tool to reflect the importance of a migration program that targets applicants with
a range of high value skill sets, not just occupations.
ii) The MODL complements domestic skill supply and maximises skill
utilisation
Adjustment costs could be imposed on industry, existing local employees and young
entrants to the labour market if the flow of skilled migrants into different occupations is out
of proportion to the size and needs of an industry. For example, an unmanaged flow of
skilled migrants into a particular occupation may increase the difficulty for young entrants to
gain a job in that occupation.
Skilled migration needs to be considered in combination with the supply of skills that come
through domestic education and training. As part of the government’s Education
Revolution, and under the auspices of the Council of Australian Governments, targets have
been set to boost the educational attainment of young Australians.
While education and training imparts many generic skills, equipping individuals to transfer
between occupations throughout their working life, the extent of people working in
occupations which are not at all related to their skills and training represents wastage and
the misallocation of valuable resources. A key factor contributing to skill shortages is
wastage of qualified workers to unrelated occupations. This is equally true of migrants and
those who are domestically trained, however there is some evidence that migrants are
Select skills: principles for a new MODL 26
more likely to find themselves in a lesser skilled job than that for which they are qualified,
although the match improves the longer migrants work in Australia.
Further, the concentration of visa grants in a relatively small number of occupations
suggests a need for consideration to be given to the relative contribution of skilled workers
through domestic supply and skilled migration.
The accountant example provided earlier in this paper shows a relatively large size of the
migrant intake in this occupation as a proportion of occupational employment.
Consideration could be given to the introduction of ceilings or caps on places for individual
occupations. This could be done on the basis of the size of the occupational labour market
or consideration could be given to the appropriateness and feasibility of developing a
migration to training rate concept. However, this latter concept is likely to be difficult and
may be counter productive if the desired outcome of the program is higher migration
intakes in occupations where domestic training numbers have been historically low.
iii) The MODL is prospective
The current methodology for the MODL is primarily retrospective, identifying occupations in
skill shortage and where demand for labour has been strong. Although partial weight is
given to prospective labour demand through the consideration of whether an occupation is
projected to have strong employment growth over the next five years, this factor has
relatively small impact on the overall determination and can be outweighed by other factors.
Revising MODL to have a prospective approach would be an innovative approach to skilled
migrant selection internationally, however, there are clearly inherent complexities
associated with it.
It is not possible to forecast skill shortages with any degree of precision, however a
methodology that places greater emphasis on the likely future demand for skilled
occupations is a better approach given the time lags inherent in the independent migration
process. Work undertaken to produce a prospective basis for the MODL would be
undertaken in consultation with the work of Skills Australia to ensure consistency and to
meet principle ii) of complementing domestic skill supply and maximising skill utilisation.
The DEEWR work which is already used in the MODL methodology, and which models
employment growth figures for each occupational unit group, could be used to rank
occupations. The employment projections are based on a range of factors, including
forecasts from economic models, recent trends and occupational developments, the extent
to which the occupation is concentrated in industries which are themselves growing.
Replacement needs (demand for new workers resulting from people leaving the
occupation) would need to be part of this approach.
In being prospective, the focus would be on the anticipated strength of labour
demand. It may be possible for this work to be considered in tandem with information about
labour supply, although supply side estimates are more complex.
A prospective time frame of 3 to 5 years may be appropriate given the lags in the migration
process and this time horizon could allow consideration of occupations on the MODL to be
Select skills: principles for a new MODL 27
cognisant of changes in skill supply through domestic tertiary education and training based
on past and current enrolment and completion patterns.
iv) The MODL should not be driven by short term employment cycles
As was illustrated in the background section, the number of occupations on the MODL has
varied over the course of its ten year history.
In line with the intent for MODL to be more forward looking and be targeted at high value
skills which are in demand over the longer term, it is desirable that it be relatively stable
and not subject to significant six monthly changes.
Uncertainty about the inclusion of occupations on MODL and the six monthly revisions
focussed on immediate skills needs make it difficult for those who are contemplating
migrating to Australia to plan. Coupled with the time lags associated with the independent
skilled program and the increased focus on the sponsored component of the program to
address short term skill needs, this suggests the need for a more stable MODL which is set
against medium-long term skill needs rather than the more variable, cyclical demand for
occupation specific skills.
v) The MODL needs to take account of other migration arrangements
The methodology underlying a revised MODL and its interaction with the points test need to
reinforce the role of independent migration to supplement, rather than drive the skilled
migration program.
An option flagged above to target higher value skills through MODL is include a work
experience threshold as well as a skills requirement. This would be consistent with the
findings of DEEWR’s skill shortage research that higher value accrues through greater
experience and with the points allocated for specific work experience in the GSM points
test. By definition, most recent graduates would fail to meet this requirement. Consideration
could be given to requiring former students to be sponsored on a temporary visa for a
certain time after graduating before being eligible for independent migration. While this
option would need to take account of the impact on local graduates and possible rorting
which could result from such as requirement, the imminent changes to the 457 program
under the Worker Protection Act address many of the concerns about the potential for
exploitation of temporary sponsored workers.
These pathways should be clear and provide appropriate opportunities for study in
Australia and for permanent residence for those who meet the needs of the Australian
economy and labour market. These settings should not however provide low hurdles for
those seeking permanent residence.
vi) The MODL is evidence based and underpinned by a robust and
transparent methodology
The existing methodology for MODL is documented, transparent and involves a sound
evidence-based process for determining which occupations meet the selected criteria. A
new MODL should preserve this approach, though it will require a new methodology to give
effect to its revised purpose and principles.
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It would also be useful to consider:
• the scheduling of future MODL updates on a regular basis, perhaps annually
• the respective roles of DEEWR and DIAC
• the involvement of stakeholders and of independent experts in the process.
A particular weakness at present is inadequate data on the labour market outcome of
recent migrants, and the extent to which migrant skills are put to good effect, either in their
nominated occupation or one closely related. Evidence about the labour market outcomes
of migrants selected on the basis of their skill would be one of the factors taken into
account in reviews.
The ABS does a biennial survey of recent migrants – defined as those arriving in Australia in
the past ten years – though this does not capture visa class information. For this reason,
DIAC has instituted a new bi-annual survey of recent migrants. The first round of this survey
will take place in September 2009, with further rounds to follow each six months. The survey
will capture the initial labour market outcomes of new permanent residents and former
overseas students who remain in Australia. Subject to meeting necessary quality standards,
this survey could become a significant source in informing updates to the new MODL.
DEEWR already prepares data on future labour demand by occupation. A supporting
research study is examining international experience in forecasting skill needs/shortages,
but quality data on anticipated labour supply arising from the balance of newly qualified
tertiary students against those leaving the occupation or retiring from the labour market is
required.
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Conclusion
By placing a strong emphasis on the capacity of the sponsored program to cater for
immediate skills needs, the Government intends to reposition independent skilled migration
as a program to meet medium to long term skills requirements. The objective of the MODL
review is to examine whether the results being delivered by the current methodology and
how it is weighted in the GSM assessment process are meeting these needs in a changing
labour market. Responses received to this Issues paper will inform the recommendations of
the review on the purpose and methodology that should underpin the MODL into the future.

本贴的宗旨在于:希望大家通过对新移民职业列表预案出台精神的领会,甚至是揣测后,作出及时,合理及正确的判断及回应。

[ 本帖最后由 francis_zhang 于 16-8-2009 18:26 编辑 ]

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 楼主| 发表于 16-8-2009 14:21:51 | 只看该作者
未申请的请看全文
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发表于 16-8-2009 15:04:07 | 只看该作者
这不是移民局网上的么
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发表于 16-8-2009 16:22:06 | 只看该作者
终于看完了.  摘要一些个人认为值得关注的要点和看法,


The objective of a new MODL is to identify applicants for skilled migration who have the
best prospects for making a productive contribution to Australia due to their high level skills which correspond strongly to Australia’s ongoing needs.-----可能意指 澳大利亚已经不满足于充当普通移民目的地的角色-------  由此导致了第一条 i) The MODL targets skills of high economic value to Australia-------    由此导致了 For individuals, there are strong returns to education, especially at graduate and post-graduate level, and to occupational tenure.

This recognises the role of the permanent and temporary sponsored visa classes in meeting the immediate and short-term skill requirements of employers.------  极可能印证了一些传言, 即永久签证将只给那些对澳大利亚有高经济价值的移民, 临时签证用来满足市场上的雇主需求.

  It is also important that the independent skilled stream does not create
incentives to undermine the salary floor being introduced for temporary sponsored skilled
migrants through the 457 visa regime. ------ 可能意指 澳洲已有大量临时签证457海外劳工, 他们不担心.

it determines whether an applicant has the level of education required to work in the occupation in Australia and does not include a consideration of the suitability of that education to the nominated occupation.------   由此导致了 离岸TRA申请人的很不乐观前景.

While the economic value of some occupations which attract only 50 or 40 points may be
unquestioned------  由此导致了 40分/50分职业极不乐观.

if applicants are unable to work in their nominated occupation or another
equally skilled position, they are prevented from being of high economic value as defined
above.----- 可能意指 澳大利亚移民局意识到,很多PR签证到手的人,却不从事和提名职业相关的工作. 移民局下面政策将要堵这个漏洞.


Research undertaken by DEEWR indicates employers’ unmet skill needs are generally for
workers who have significant relevant experience. ------可能意指  雇主们不满意目前被雇佣者们拥有的相关工作经验, 所以.....(MODL改革)......势在必行.

ii) The MODL complements domestic skill supply and maximises skill
utilisation----- 由此导致了 拥有澳大利亚本国的教育和培训的申请人(domestic education and training),才是他们优先考虑的对象.


It is not possible to forecast skill shortages with any degree of precision, however a
methodology that places greater emphasis on the likely future demand for skilled
occupations is a better approach given the time lags inherent in the independent migration
process.----- 预测短缺比较困难,  可能意指 MODL还会不断调整.         In being prospective, the focus would be on the anticipated strength of labour demand. It may be possible for this work to be considered in tandem with information about labour supply, although supply side estimates are more complex.------ 更加强调劳动力市场预测的复杂化.


iv) The MODL should not be driven by short term employment cycles---- 意指  这次MODL调整将不再会是短期行为.-----这句很重要,可能是未来澳洲的移民风向标.----a more stable MODL---这次MODL将会更加稳定    more forward looking and be targeted at high value skills which are in demand over the longer term----- 再次强调了将会长期选择高性价比的移民.

Consideration could be given to requiring former students to be sponsored on a temporary visa for a certain time after graduating before being eligible for independent migration.-------temporary visa,学生们的前景.

The first round of this survey will take place in September 2009, with further rounds to follow each six months. The survey will capture the initial labour market outcomes of new permanent residents and former overseas students who remain in Australia.----9月出台调查报告,这个劳动力市场调查报告涉及新永居移民和以往的留学生们.



个人读后感:  澳大利亚的移民政策再次收紧了, 10月这次将可能是最"革命"的一次,以往敞开大口袋什么职业都往里装的历史,可能将从此结束. 这是一个10月将推出新MODL前的指导框架,也就是新MODL推出之前的吹风会性质的文件,ACS和IEA可能将继续占有优势地位,但ACS名单和IEA名单的调整不可避免! TRA类别中的绝大多数将会从此坠入深谷,极少数高技术TRA才可能幸免.在离岸和在岸申请人当中,以拥有澳大利亚本国教育和培训的在岸申请人为优先考虑. 另外,州担保将继续保持它的风光和优势。

如有遗漏之处, 欢迎补充!   不妥之处,欢迎指正!

希望更多TZ就issue1文章的内容发表 详细看法.

[ 本帖最后由 ydbzw 于 17-8-2009 02:41 编辑 ]

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发表于 16-8-2009 16:40:08 | 只看该作者
请问以前那些已经提交申请的人呢?那些07年08年的都分了CO的申请者呢?就此作废了吗?
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移民局公布的这个文章中只字未提"以前那些已经提交申请的人".

另外补充一个个人看法:担保类别的申请可能会比以前更加火暴.
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TRA类别中的绝大多数将会从此坠入深谷,极少数高技术TRA才可能幸免.

请问ydbzw是如何得出此结论的?
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 楼主| 发表于 16-8-2009 16:48:33 | 只看该作者
我是流氓我怕谁(大不了赔钱),一个流氓的诞生不是一蹴而就嘀!
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回复 #7 zhangyuanzhi 的帖子

公布的ISSUE1的文章你看完了吗?前2/3的内容都可以印证这个预测.谢谢.
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发表于 16-8-2009 16:52:43 | 只看该作者
不错。很好。继续。

暴风雨来吧。
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肯定是你所说的暴风雨.我很羡慕那些过去早早就已经移民的人们.
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关键的一条,此次MODL调整会不会涉及到优先级?就是会不会对已经提交申请的tx产生影响?

据我理解,之前MODL与优先级无关,只与加分有关;CSL不加分,但是控制优先级。那现在调整MODL取消CSL是不是等于把两者合并?这个我觉得很关键,如果依然会按照优先级别来排队,那确实是很惨,因为原来在CSL上的或者说针对CSL去申请的人又一次被卖了。朝令夕改,让我们看不到OZ ZF对移民的重视
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原帖由 ydbzw 于 16-8-2009 16:43 发表



移民局公布的这个文章中只字未提"以前那些已经提交申请的人".

另外补充一个个人看法:担保类别的申请可能会比以前更加火暴.

请问07年08年那些已经分了CO的三无或在下个月可能变成三无的申请者有什么安排政策吗?CSL虽然即将被停止,可是好歹都已经处理到今年递交的案子了,而且那些以前已经分了CO的CSL都给处理完了啊。请楼上的帮忙分析好吗?而且现在依然有符合条件的三无递交了新的申请,移民局也依然接受审理,可是案子难道一年一年一直堆积在那里都不处理吗?现有的手头Case都已经沉积了3年 莫非还要再堆积几年?那么多的Case处理的完吗?
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 楼主| 发表于 16-8-2009 18:08:20 | 只看该作者
担保渠道已壅塞,有条件还是要做。
三无中那些40-50分的职业可能是获益者,取决于你的职业经过研究和统计后,对澳洲的重要与否。
MODL的动态调整-职业分值。分值达到Pass mark-处理,达不到-等待。而不是以往处理模式。
CSL还未递交的抓紧时间递交,三无继续等待的同时保持耐心。
获得州或领地的提名至关重要。
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 楼主| 发表于 16-8-2009 18:12:58 | 只看该作者
以往是MODL相对稳定,以分选材。
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 楼主| 发表于 16-8-2009 18:24:19 | 只看该作者
例如相对40-50分的职业,走独立的通道比较难(打分不够),那么就要寻求其他的加分途径。而当需要你的时候,提档进入60分的职业(职业加分,经验加分),自然就受益于政策的支持。
同理州领地提名(地方政府和中央政府-官对官),优势在于它是政府行为。
最糟糕的一种可能,加拿大就是前车之鉴。
本贴的宗旨在于,希望大家通过对新移民职业列表预案出台精神的领会,甚至是揣测后,作出及时,合理及正确的判断及reaction。
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发表于 16-8-2009 18:29:46 | 只看该作者
推测:未来会融合现有MODL和CSL,结果是要求更高、范围更窄,留学生机会更多
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发表于 16-8-2009 18:58:51 | 只看该作者
考验我心脏的时候又要到了。。。。。。。。。


老是提出要在某个类别的配额上加cap,,,,,,,该想想给我们的等待期加个cap啊。。。。。。。。。。。

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 楼主| 发表于 16-8-2009 19:05:39 | 只看该作者

回复 #17 f11939 的帖子

澳洲现在有临时工作和学生签证持有者近六七百万,DIAC彻底关门回家算了。
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发表于 16-8-2009 21:38:04 | 只看该作者
不会象加那样变成很小的职业列表吧,那好多职业都没戏了,该怎么办啊?!
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看了ISSUE ONE后,我个人觉得两个月后的新MODL,肯定不是简单地合并目前的CSL名单,而是将会有所删减。排名头十名的职业当中,ACCOUNTANT独占鳌头,风险最大的一定是会计了,第二名和第三名分别是厨师和美发师,风险也极大,剩下的ACS和IEA当中,也是新MODL将要根据high value skills这个标准进行调整的对象,难道所有的ACS类别和IEA类别都符合high value skills吗?估计不会。排名其余的注册护士,电工,金属工等也风险很大。

还有,

对于有TZ提出的“已经提交申请的人”怎么处理,结合目前175根本不分CO的形势,我想了一下,觉得极有可能被你说中,按照新的级别重新排队,因为一:10月MODL大名单要调整,有调整就意味着要排队,目前不分CO或者极少分CO,就是为了减轻排序前CO们的工作量,二,既然澳大利亚移民局在今年已经做过了一次这种让申请人重新排队的先例------即使分了CO,或者到了预签阶段,也让申请人照着新序列去重新排队,干了一次他们就不怕再干第二次。只是苦了我们申请人!

[ 本帖最后由 ydbzw 于 16-8-2009 23:44 编辑 ]
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发表于 16-8-2009 22:06:48 | 只看该作者
原帖由 ydbzw 于 16-8-2009 22:00 发表
看了ISSUE ONE后,我个人觉得两个月后的新MODL,肯定不是简单地合并目前的CSL名单,而是将会有所删减。排名头十名的职业当中,ACCOUNTANT独占鳌头,风险最大的一定是会计了,第二名和第三名分别是厨师和美发师,风险 ...

不知道焊工的情况如何,还会不会在MODL上?像我这样分完CO的,也补完料的什么时候是头啊!
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回复 #22 pusu1980 的帖子

我个人不认为,普通的TRA有乐观前景,请看文件的中心句-----more forward looking and be targeted at high value skills which are in demand over the longer term。除非你是维修飞机发动机之类的澳洲境内极度紧缺的high skills。欢迎探讨。
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发表于 16-8-2009 22:45:42 | 只看该作者
对于已经转为州担保,但没有分co的,假设modl调整后不在modl上的,难道又要被从新发配吗 ?
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回复 #24 wsdy007 的帖子

楼主francis_zhang在另外一个帖子里关于老子和儿子的说法很形象!老子一定会考虑到儿子的利益,通常情况下,老子的利益不太可能会和儿子的利益发生矛盾和冲突,在移民局以往的历史上,也好象没有看见过DIAC政策和州/领地的政策发生冲突。你还是安心为好。希望更多TX来谈谈看法。
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发表于 16-8-2009 23:13:56 | 只看该作者

ydbzw高度关注有关新modl,请问你是什么职业?
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回复 #26 zhangyuanzhi 的帖子

ACS。同样属于要被调整的对象。
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现在来看澳洲的移民政策搞得比加拿大还要严厉,不知道是怎么想的?

[ 本帖最后由 zhangyuanzhi 于 16-8-2009 21:30 编辑 ]
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加拿大的细则我不太了解,但怎么会比加拿大严厉? 没觉得啊。加拿大的ACS现在只有MANAGER级别才有资格申请,澳大利亚还没有到那程度,而且加拿大只剩下38个职业了,澳大利亚还好一些,甚至还给州担保。不过澳大利亚的政策似乎是在向着加拿大或者新西兰政策靠拢了。
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我前一阵子曾关注过魁北克,我的职业属于紧缺列表里的职业。整个申请过程要比澳洲简单不过要学习法语还要到香港面试,联邦的更加简单一些。对了澳洲的移民政策历来就比加拿大繁琐。
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