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18岁甩来考拉国至今九年,与很多人一样,来的时候无朋友亲戚。

现3年本地IT经验,1年SAP BA经验, 已入籍。其实大部分时间还是在澳洲各地上窜下跳各种读书。。。

上个合同结束后,又扎到VU读Master of Business in ERP systems。
(tips: Program确实不错,但没有SAP经验的小伙伴们不要读这个,消化不了浪费钱)

现在学期基本结束,也有时间心情来码字

职业方向是明确的,SAP consultant / BA / Trainer

澳洲SAP机会不少,可是绝大多数对经验有较高的要求,至少4,5年,实施过1-2个项目。

SAP Junior Position在澳洲是何其少,俺很庆幸当初在UTS毕业后,在没有sap经验的情况下,3月内拿到那份BA工作,各种感恩的心  

之前的公司SAP实施,支持,二次开发都外包给印度一家公司,公司里每个模块有从几个到几十个不等的Power Users来支持数千的End Users. 俺的Role是SD Power User and BA,未完待续。。。

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发表于 14-10-2013 16:33:07 | 只看该作者
搬个沙发坐看好贴。
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发表于 14-10-2013 19:23:05 | 只看该作者
顶一下
俺是做CI的customer intelligence
是属于BI里面的策略部分
设计数据库 开发软件什么的比较少介入
因为俺不是IT出身 而是金融专业 擅长数据挖掘 和 大数据分析

以后有机会过去也会读个SAP 如果适合我的话

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发表于 14-10-2013 19:49:21 | 只看该作者
等你待续
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 楼主| 发表于 14-10-2013 21:04:14 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 大尾巴甩甩 于 14-10-2013 21:10 编辑

再提笔有点艰难,发现一旦开篇,这就不是一两句话能说完的事,想叙述一个好故事而尽量不废话还是颇有难度滴,但善始善终吧

自己走了不少弯路而后确定自己喜爱的职业,本文之初衷是希望能对考虑将SAP作为职业发展方向的同学们有所参考而已。如有不对之处,欢迎同道讨论指正。

想写的内容大致分为10小节,一天写完那就要了俺小命了,俗话说的好,慢慢走,快快到,明日发第一小节。

目录如下

1. 转了一圈又回来了

2. 澳洲哪儿能学SAP?

3. SAP考证

4. SAP找工之幸运与多艰

5. 澳企SAP应用之印象

6. 一个好的SAP顾问

7. SAP职业大致分类

8. 学习SAP还是很有讲究的

9. 资源分享

10. 关于未来的思考





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 楼主| 发表于 14-10-2013 21:04:54 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 大尾巴甩甩 于 16-10-2013 02:10 编辑

今天一大早就出门了,晚上11点半才到家,夜深人静交这份迟到的作业

转了一圈又回来了


有人说”每个人一生至少要换三次房,,先求有,再求好,再视人生阶段换房。”职业也是一样,几十年守一份工作的时代已经过去,年轻人越来越注重职业发展,挨踢行业尤甚。07年俺挨踢本科毕业,毕业后未曾想过在澳洲发展,觉得澳洲生活太安逸,人民太懒散,平静的大海培养不出优秀的水手,而俺还是想当船长。
尽管满怀着回国奋斗的中国梦,可父母是强烈的反对,死活非得让留在澳洲拿身份。理由有二;
一,        多少人削尖了脑袋要留在澳洲,你能留为何不留? (那时拿PR还比较容易,俺也很凑巧分数刚刚够)
二,        现在海归多得去了,你一个本科毕业回来有啥竞争优势?

拗不过父母,最后妥协的结果是先读个硕士再说,那时如果再要回国,父母也不再干预。再读个硕士,读什么好呢?两个方向,要么专精要么广博。专精IT? 不要,国内IT人职业生涯太短,想想那些IT男30岁困惑的帖子就担心。还是广博吧,选择一个互补型回国吃得开的。恩,金融不错,起码金融IT开发也属于民工中的战斗机了吧。

于是乎接下来拿了6个不同大学金融专业的Offer, 挑了号称亚洲金融第一的卖烤肉大学的MAF专业。俺脚得叫亚洲变态第一更贴切。因为MAF一年要念完11门课,基本每月结一门,上课还是block mode, 也就是说一门课一个月集中上两天课,朝九晚五,然后一个月后考试。两天一本书就教完了,这是怎一个快字了得。虽然有些抱怨,但这个program确实赞,老师都是投行的大牛,有实力有魅力有深度有风度,很多时候听课是一种享受,当然前提是你得预习好,否则就是体力脑力双重折磨。
俺的专业是基金管理,曾经幻想能做自由投资者,在家点点鼠标买进卖出银子落袋,多么美的生活~ 或是进投行成为所谓的精英份子。后来想起,还是应了老江的那句经典,怎么说来着,Too Young.. Too Naive...

那时的俺很浮躁,其实并不知道自己想要什么,更多是在追着一种被放大的虚假光环。直到现在,很多年轻人选择职业时依然只盯着钱看,而不是前看。你真的了解自己吗?你真的确定这是你想要的吗?你的兴趣在哪里?你的优势在哪里?你所选择的职业有没有足够的需求与发展空间?

很庆幸的说,俺迷失不算太久,接下来发生的几件事彻底改变了俺的人生轨迹,从此与金融say goodbye。

其一,08年9月15日雷曼宣布倒闭,俺在第一时间转发了此新闻却没有意识到这仅仅是金融危机的开始。当天老师上课时精神都很不振,只是说更糟糕的还没有来,一旦来临将会持续很久。当时俺依然将信将疑,直至看到新闻上华尔街曾经年薪百万的投行人士站在车流汹涌的十字路口,胸口挂着一大牌子 “I need a job“. 如此的大起大落,俺的小心脏怕是承受不了。

其二,在金融危机来临之前,朋友曾介绍一PE经理,与之密室小谈之后才了解想回国做基金基本没门。就算上头有人,那关系如果不是异常铁那也不行。

其三,投行水深,就算进的去也未必玩得起,此处省略1千字。

综上所述,俺这风险规避型的普通老百姓还是更适合搞IT,老老实实卖手艺过安稳日子,于是乎放弃金融并找到一份极其稳定的IT工作,这不,转了一圈又回来了。

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 楼主| 发表于 14-10-2013 21:05:14 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 大尾巴甩甩 于 17-10-2013 15:49 编辑

这份IT工作虽然稳定,可技术含量不高且职业上升空间很有限。船长梦依然在,却不再急于回国,回国不仅需要理性的思考,更需要比拼的资本。雇主凭什么要用你?羊毛出在羊身上,你又能为企业带来何种价值?俺必须从民工型挨踢向高附加值挨踢转型!

调研之后确定了SAP方向,原因有三
一,      人才缺乏,不论国内还是澳洲 (当时SAP专才有移民加分,可见其稀缺)
二,      资源充分利用,能将自己所学整合起来,IT金融都用得上。
三,      兴趣!这几年的IT工作涉及不少CMS及系统整合的东东,深刻体会到可配置集成系统的甜头。兴趣果然是可以发掘的,难怪有人说,找工作,先求有,再求好,再视职业阶段换工作

不过调研工作依然不充分,没有任何风控的准备,就是抱着破釜沉舟的心态豁出去了,选择SAP于俺是一场实实在在的赌博。如同蒙着眼穿过树林,拆掉眼罩回头一看,一路荆棘沼泽,实乃幸运女神眷顾。容易被忽视的转职SAP的两大误区。
1.        去念个SAP课程就能入行
2.        去考个SAP认证就能入行

澳洲SAP市场很成熟,早期不少大企业有过被忽悠的惨痛经历,于是不招Graduate for SAP Position基本成为潜规则,企业要么请经验外援要么花大价钱培训内部骨干以保证项目质量。这直接造成很少机会给SAP职场新人,其实不光SAP, 很多其他行业也一样。一个国家的发展与未来依靠年轻人,而年轻人却没有机会成长,这也是反对457声浪高涨的原因之一。澳洲是一个重视经验远大于学历的国家。没有SAP经验,而试图通过某个课程或认证来入行风险相当高。

风险该说的说了,也得来点积极鼓励的话。凡事没有绝对,如果你足够幸运如甩甩,没有SAP经验也能入行 事实上俺当时申请的只是Junior BA Position, interview的时候才知道是SAP related. 所以也别抱着非SAP job不投的偏见。眼光要长远,只要能达到长期目标,道路可以崎岖,向前进就行。

2. 澳洲哪儿能学SAP?

基于俺所有限的了解,以下大学提供SAP课程
1.    VU – Graduate Diploma, Master of Business in ERP Systems
2.    UTS – Graduate Certificate, Diploma, Master of Accounting Information System
3.    QUT – Master of IT (Enterprise System)

近年来BI的热门也衍生出专门的课程,如
如Master of Business Analytics – Deakin University
http://www.deakin.edu.au/study-a ... /business-analytics
印象中Monash University, University of Adelaide的IT硕士也有小方向是BI相关的,具体情况不熟。

有实力有财力的同学眼光也别仅放在澳洲, ERP教育最强的当然还是美国。比如说VU有一门课叫ERP Application, 美国Grand Valley State University教授同时也是Integrated Business Process with ERP Systems的作者Simha R. Magal 专门飞过来集中授课5天,Hands on Configuration, 配置FICO/SD/MM/PP, 看看人家大学准备的上机教材,那是相当的好。其实VU的很不错,但跟人家的一比差距还是明显的。

仅就VU和UTS的SAP课程稍作叙述,别的没念过,没有发言权。

一句话总结: VU的特色是广, UTS的特色是专。

VU优势
+ 提供SAP各模块的选修,从FICO, APO,SCM, CRM, HR, PS, BI,ABAP, BASIS都有。
+ VU的学生可以相对较低的价格进行SAP认证培训。http://www.business.vu.edu.au/sap/SAPCertification.asp
+ 学生很多都有SAP工作经验。
+ IBM Mentor Program (虽然用处不太大,但聊胜于无)
+ 非常多上机练习
+ 不卡人,学生不必仅仅为了分数而疲于奔命

VU不足
+ 基础课不够 比如没有基础会计课程,这样没有财务背景的学生上FICO课会很吃力
+ 深度有一些但依然不够,可能是俺期望太高 (不要指望太细的讲解,跟行业应用差距有的,只能说打个好基础,想深入靠自学)
+ 师资质量良莠不齐 (好的非常好,差的不说了)

UTS优势
+ 课程设计比较系统,逐步深入
+ 有两门BI的选修
+ 对财务模块有比较深入的教授
+ 教授Bernard人好又敬业,良师
+ 总体师资都不错,没遇见过令人失望的老师


UTS不足
+ 广度真心的不够,除非你就想致力于FICO模块
+ 没有任何能实质上帮助学生就业的服务

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 楼主| 发表于 14-10-2013 21:05:32 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 大尾巴甩甩 于 17-10-2013 16:17 编辑

3. SAP考证

SAP证书分为两级,Associate Level 和 Professional Level.  Professional Level需要在Associate Level之后再有3年的工作经验才能考。

如果没有任何的SAP培训或经验,即使是Associate Level也不能直接报考。(貌似这条即将撤销,任何人都能报考了,但不确定。。。)

以UTS考FICO认证为例,第一学期通过两门课Accounting and ERP,Assurance for Enterprise Systems,就可以报两天的 Certificate 3 in Accounting with SAP ERP: SAP Consultant Certification, 这个包括1次SAP FI Associate 认证考试。
http://www.coursesdirectory.com. ... t-certification.php

以VU考BI认证为例,必须通过BI subject之后,再报SAP uAcademy课程,完了就能直接考BI认证。
http://www.business.vu.edu.au/sap/SAPCertification.asp

最后依然要再次友情提醒,没有经验单纯有证书在澳洲没什么用.
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 楼主| 发表于 14-10-2013 21:05:52 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 大尾巴甩甩 于 17-10-2013 16:35 编辑

4. SAP找工之幸运与多艰

幸运是指之前没有相关经验就找到SAP工作,更多的还是多艰。

SAP工作在澳洲大部分是以合同工为主,短则两三个月,长则一两年。有需求再续。

依俺观察,大部分还是数月或半年合同居多。俺的合同是半年,之后又续了半年,中介说,干的不错,你这都算长的了。

有多少人喜欢频繁的换工作,合同工实在是很没有安全感,几个月后又得找下家。

这里一定要提醒,千万不要等到合同结束后才找。你在职时人家还当你是宝,离职后就是你求人,Power对调,很多离职后花了很久才能找到下家,中间这断档在简历上也不好看。

由于工作大部分都被内部消化,只有少部分的工作放到seek之类的招聘网站上。

俺甚至觉得linkedin上的工作比seek之类的更多更快,同学们一定要用起来,be proactive!

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 楼主| 发表于 14-10-2013 21:06:10 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 大尾巴甩甩 于 17-10-2013 18:04 编辑

5. 澳企SAP应用之印象

前东家属制造业,基本的业务模式是从国内工厂发半成品过来再根据客人要求进行组装或加工,其他的业务模式也都有如make to stock, third party order, subcontractor, consignment...

上了全套SAP模块,SAP是绝对的支撑企业运营的核心,从售前售后,采购,仓库,人力资源,财务,项目管理, 报告分析等。

另外,对内对外都有整合。针对主要的供应商与客户,通过EDI前东家实现了企业间自动采购与销售,偶尔会出错如价格未及时更新,供应商/客户主数据不一致。

大二全的BI portal, 可根据需求自动生成实时报表并每日自动发送到指定邮箱,偶尔不太稳定。

SAP CRM上了,不知怎地又要上其他的CRM系统再做整合。。。难道SAP CRM真的不好么?

采购没直接接触过,不表。

库存绝大多数是准的,偶尔有变差。

N多个二次开发的Report,其实有些Report其他国家的分公司已经做了,重复劳动。。。

权限申请3级批准,而审批人经常身居要职,本身就忙的不行,等到三级审批完,黄花菜都凉了,效率低下。

项目管理人才不多,当宝似的。

与印度团队跨时区沟通不容易,此处省略1千字。





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 楼主| 发表于 14-10-2013 21:06:28 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 大尾巴甩甩 于 18-10-2013 21:35 编辑

6. 一个好的SAP顾问

自不量力的从Power User的角度来谈谈对SAP顾问的看法,之前已经提到过前东家SAP支持二次开发都外包给了印度某公司。不同公司对顾问分级可能不一样,俺只接触到三级分类,Level 1到Level 3。Level 1属于最初级顾问,提供一些基本的支持,如不影响流程的错误,意外,问询,修改等。 Level 2 属于中级顾问,解决任何影响业务流程的问题。Level 3高级顾问,解决所有影响集团公司或公司范围内的问题。顾问的role有时候会有重叠,比如一个顾问可能兼做Level 1 and Level 2的支持,或者Level 2 and level 3支持。

遇见的大部分Level 1顾问对业务流程的熟悉程度不如Power User, 但他们对某模块的基本系统配置还是相当熟悉的。
因为手头较多的业务流程增强项目,打交道最多的还是Level 2顾问,涉及的模块有FICO, SD,MM, PLM,BI。
与FICO Level 2顾问交流有困难,我们当时想要二次开发一个利润相关财务报表。此顾问一开始说做不了,后来说不能理解需求,再后来不懂装懂给了几个不相关的tcode。拖了很久最后换顾问情况得以改善。

SD/MM顾问实力不错,对业务比较了解,一般系统配置也很熟悉,但遇见他们不熟悉的领域依然容易糊弄人。比如一次B2B Order出了问题,只有一部分订单客户地址与客户主数据不匹配。我们说客户主数据肯定是对的,只有一部分订单地址出错应该是内部程序哪除了问题。顾问检查之后回复说在他看来没有问题,是不是过一段时间再看看。好,过了一段时间问题又出现了,依然是同样的客户出问题。一通连环夺命催之后顾问终于找到了答案,原来真的是程序出了问题,某个算法写错了,跳着读数据…… 暴寒~

PLM顾问只接触到一个,但很有代表性。问题是这样的,设备卖出去之后,可能被客户再次转卖,而设备的序列号只有一个,如果保证同一设备的主数据上能有最新的客户信息而方便我们能提供维护。难点有二。首先,设备被转卖之后除非客户通知我们,否则是并不能及时更新,现有设备主数据很多的客户数据都不准确。二,PLM设备主数据支持一次买卖记录,也就是最多只能记录最后两次的客户记录。如果设备被转卖超过两次,那也是无法跟踪的。与序列号相关的还有很多其他的问题,集中一起在solution manager上raise support ticket. 结果没人敢接,就看到ticket responsible consultant的名字如走马灯一样,一天换一个,后来居然空掉了… 问题再难也得有个说法吧,逃避问题不想自己的业绩因此而下滑,唉。

最后说说BI顾问,平常老总们总是会每天定时收到定制的BI Report. 突然有一天啥都没有,命令就下来了,肿么回事?当天火速联系BI顾问,顾问说好,我们来调查。第二天,老总们又收到Report了。什么原因?一开始不愿意回答,只问现在Report是不是好了? 是。问题解决了吗?解决了,但我们要知道原因!答曰在维护过程中犯了个小错误,但是拒绝提供更详细的原因。
以上这些都是Level 1或Level2顾问,总是或多或少不满意。

Level 3的顾问是强悍的~ 无论是业务还是技术确实是专家,再有问题就是沟通问题。比如印度SAP团队SD的头儿10多年经验,很资深,可英语实在不敢让人恭维。。。再然后就是对需求的理解双方不一样给出的方案我们不满意等等。

貌似讲的都是顾问怎么不好,做到相反就是一个好的顾问了:D  好顾问是需要“软硬兼施”,业务理解要过硬,技术底子更要硬,当然还少不了软实力比如沟通技巧,责任心,处事态度等等。
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本帖最后由 大尾巴甩甩 于 18-10-2013 22:07 编辑

7. SAP职业大致分类

这个Thomas Dulaney 讲的很清楚了,俺就直接贴过来了。

Folks new to SAP often focus on one career path: SAP consultant working for a top tier consulting company. While this is a popular choice, it is by no means the only choice. There are many ways to categorize the careers in the SAP field, so I'm going to look at the totality of SAP careers through several different filters in an effort to give you a completely developed picture. These filters are subjective and I'm open to including any that I've missed. Just let me know in the comments!

In each section, I'll break down the categories and try to give the characteristics of each. Not pros and cons, per se, becuase what one person sees as an advantage could be a disadvantage for someone else. Honestly, this blog should probably be split into several blogs, so I apologize for the length. Here goes:


Specialties: Functional vs. BI vs. Technical (Development) vs. Technical (Basis) vs. Project Management vs. Testing vs. Training
•        Functional
o        Also known as: configurer, configurator
o        Specialize in the business processes (Financial, Controlling, Human Resources, Materials Management, Production Planning, etc)
o        Background: business undergraduate and/or MBA degrees. Additional certifications (CPA, CPIM, etc) are also helpful.
o        Job duties: conduct workshops to gather requirements, present options, assist in the decision making process, then translate business decisions into SAP configuration. Functional specialists also write functional specifications and design rationales.
o        Required skills: good social skills, strong written and oral skills, good with public speaking, strong knowledge of functional processes
•        BI
o        Also known as: data modeler, reporting specialist
o        Specialize in converting raw data into reports, dashboards, and graphics for the folks who will analyze the data and make decisions.
o        Background: business undergraduate and/or MBA degrees. Technical classes in data modelling are helpful. Programming experience can also be a plus.
o        Job duties: Interview request owner for requirements, translate functional requirements into technical requirements, use various tools to generate reports, dashboards, or other summaries.
o        Required skills:  strong written skills, analytic mind
•        Technical (Development)
o        Also known as: developer, ABAPer, "tools" consultant (haven't heard this last one outside of SAP America though), java developer
o        Use programming to fill gaps in the business process. Create Workflow, Reports, Interfaces, Conversions, Enhancements, and Forms (WRICEF)
o        Background:Business undergraduate or computer science undergraduate, programming classes or experience required.
o        Job duties: Translate functional specifications into technical specifications. Translate technical specifications into code.
o        Required skills: strong analytical skills, programming experience
o        Note: Conversion is a huge part of implementations and typically the conversion function does continue to some degree post go-live. Often conversion is large enough to be considered separately from the rest of development during implementations.
•        Technical (Basis)
o        Also known as: Basis, Netweaver System Administrator, SAP Admin
o        Administer SAP systems: installation, infrastructure design, backup & recovery, high availability, networking, etc
o        Background: undergraduate degree. Operating System and/or Database certifications helpful
o        Job duties: Gather technical requirements, present options, assist in the decision making process, then translate technical business decisions into SAP infrastructure.
o        Required skills: Strong written and oral skills, strong analytical/troubleshooting skills, ability to work under pressure
•        Technical (Security)
o        Also known as: Security, Information Assurance specialist
o        Design security, create and administer users
o        Background: undergraduate degree. Experience with OS/DB user administration helpful.
o        Job duties: Gather security requirements, design segregation of duties strategy, then translate security decisions into SAP security configuration.
o        Required skills: good interview skills (to interview employees and determine requirements), strong written and oral skills
•        Project Management
o        Also known as: PM, Team Lead
o        Manage scope, cost, schedule, risk, quality, resources, and communications.
o        Background: business undergraduate and/or MBA degrees. Often start as Functional. PMI or other Project Management certification helpful.
o        Job duties: Manage scope, cost, schedule, risk, quality, resources, and communications.Basically, attend a ridiculous number of meetings and do whatever it takes to keep the project moving forward on schedule and on budget at the required quality.
o        Required skills: Excellent social and negotiation skills, strong written and oral skills, good with public speaking, strong knowledge of project management theory and practice
•        Testing
o        Also known as: testers, Quality Control
o        Test the processes either in an automated or manual fashion. Report the results to project management. Coordinate issue resolution with necessary configurers, developers, etc
o        Background: undergraduate
o        Job duties: Organize testing, conduct testing, report test results, follow up on test resolution.
o        Required skills: strong written and oral skills, strong detail orientation
•        Training
o        Also known as: trainer, Organizational Change Management
o        Responsible for creating end user training materials and delivering training prior to go-live
o        Background: business undergraduate and/or MBA degrees. Additional certifications (CPA, CPIM, etc) are also helpful.
o        Job duties: Work with functionals to understand processes as configured and create training materials, stage data and exercieses, conduct training
o        Required skills: Excellent public speaking/training skills, very strong written and oral skills

Implementation vs. Support
•        Implementation
o        Implementations involve gathering requirements and implementing those requirements.
o        Folks in implementations deal with massive change to an organization.
o        Stress level is high, especially near go-live.
o        Implementations often require work at nights and on weekends. Frequently implementations take place on a 4/10 work week, meaning Monday through Thursday, 10 hours per day but Friday is off.
o        Consultants and internal company personnel work together to determine requirements and implement changes. All of the specialties from the first section are typically present.
•        Support
o        "Business as usual", Production Support
o        Limited change, usually modifications to existing processes. Support does involve change, however, as change requests are made and approved.
o        Since the system is live, production problems have extremely high status.
o        Support personnel tend to work more normal business hours (exception, Basis folks typically work when others don't, so weekend, night, and holiday work hours should be expected for Basis personnel)
o        Internal personnel only for the most part. Sometimes spot consultants are brought in for specific issues, but in general all support is handled in-house.
o        All of the specialties from the first section are typically present, but sometimes greatly reduced as compared to implementation (for example, project management team, testing, and training team might be much smaller post-golive)

Consulting vs. In-house/contractors
•        Consulting
o        Employment Status: Consultants are not employees of the company implementing SAP. They are brought in for their expertise, both SAP and non-SAP expertise.
o        Compensation: Base Salary is typically about the same, perhaps a bit higher than in-house, but consultants typically receive bonuses which brings overall compensation higher than in-house. (Note: this is true in the United States. I have seen some data that indicates that consultants in other countries actually make less money than in-house counterparts. I've not been able to make much sense of this data.)
o        Home-life: high degree of travel. Typically away from home 4 to 5 days per week. Travel expenses are typically reimbursed and so consultants typically eat well and get to live perhaps a higher lifestyle than in-house counterparts. Travel can be difficult for family, however, and divorce rates are typically higher for consultants than for in-house counterparts.
o        Professional Respect: High degree of respect is typical from company management. If a consultant and an in-house employee disagree, often management will side with the consultant. Projects can be more easily be "sold" to management by consultants (especially consulting partners). Consultants with equivalent skills and job responsibilities often have higher reach into the implementing company.
o        Type of work: Consultants typically are involved only in implementations. This can be great if you primarily enjoy design work. It can be frustrating if you like to see the progression and "perfection" of a system over time. No "ownership" of the system long term.
o        Career progression: Consultants typically have to become project managers and salesmen in order to make partner in a stereotypical consulting organization. Early career skills (functional, technical, etc) often don't relate to the skills which enable success in late career (project management, salesmanship). Consultants *can* specialize and stay in their specialty but compensation eventually stalls. Consultants who try and miss partner can be frustrated for long periods of time or even be forced out of their consulting firm (up or out). Making partner can actually increase work load and stress and is sometimes seen as a mixed blessing.
o        Requirements to start: Generally consulting companies requires at least one if not two or three complete implementations before they'll hire someone, although some companies recruit the "best and the brightest" directly from undergraduate and MBA programs.

•        In-house
o        Employment Status: In-house folks are typically employees of the company implementing SAP, although I include contractors as in house as well. Contractors are hired to conduct long-term support of a system and are typically treated similar to employees.
o        Compensation: In general, overall compensation is lower for in-house employees and contractors as compared to consultants, but see comment in the consulting section.
o        Home life: Typically require little to no travel. Working hours will match those of consultants (but won't get consultant type compensation) during the implementation but will return to "normal" post go-live for long term support. In-house employees and contractors typically have "normal" home-lives, which is generally easier for those with children.
o        Professional Respect: At times, in-house employees struggle for respect of management. If a consultant and an in-house employee disagree, often management will side with the consultant. Projects can be more easily be "sold" to management by consultants.
o        Type of work: Employees/contractors do both implementation and long term support of system post go-live.
o        Career progression: In-house employees have the opportunity to advance within the company to become management and senior management over time. Contractors are barred from this type of progression unless they become employees. Contractors typically have one job and don't change over long periods of time. In-house employees who miss key promotions can be frustrated for long periods of time. Employees also have the option of staying in one job for along period of time but at the cost of career and salary stagnation.
o        Requirements to start: Generally companies draw from in-house non-SAP support staff to hire SAP support staff although they do also hire experienced folks from outside. To start from an inside position, you'll generally have worked for the company for a few years as an end user or in some related capacity. To start from outside, companies will expect you to have implemented SAP either as a consultant or as in-house employee at another company. Companies generally do not recruit from undergraduate or MBA programs directly into their support organization.

Working for a Consulting Company vs. being an Independent Consultant
•        Working for a Consulting Company
o        Somewhat protected from economic downturns, able to collect paycheck while "on the bench"/"on the beach" (in between assignments)
        Independents argue that consulting companies have a history of cutting folks loose the minute the market gets tight. My observation is that top tier companies will hold on to consultants for 6 months to a year where smaller companies have less ability/inclination to hold on to consultants for that long when times are tight. Your mileage may vary on this one.
        Independents argue that higher compensation of being independent allows you to ride out the patches in between assignments as easily as if a company were paying you to be on the bench. Your ability to budget for these downtimes makes the difference here.
o        Go where you're told, when you're told.
        Less responsibility to get yourself busy, but less ability to affect type and duration of assignments.
        More likely to end up at a customer as a bad fit if management doesn't know your skill set or is incompetent.
        It's possible to get "pigeonholed" into the same type of assignment over and over.
        Since "beach/bench" time effectively kills your bonus, some view the inability find your own work extremely frustrating.
o        Paid vacation and benefits
o        Company pays for training
o        Stuck with whatever training/equipment the company chooses to provide.
•        Independent Consultant
o        FREEDOM. Free to choose when to work and for whom to work and rate of compensation.
o        Requires more diligence with money.
o        Vacation, sick and training time directly affects the bottom line and can encourage some to limit those times.
o        Cost of insurance/benefits are higher.
o        Compensation can be much higher since there is no company to skim profit off the top.
o        Since number of hours worked directly affects compensation, the temptation to work far more than the industry average 2000 hours per year by taking on multiple clients or just putting in long hours for a single client can be irresistible.
o        Responsible for your own equipment.
o        Training is a double whammy. You have to pay to attend and you lose money because you're not billing a customer.
o        Requires more time to deal with paperwork for invoicing and expenses.
o        Different customers can be better or worse at paying in a timely fashion.


There are more points to be made under each of the categories, but this should be enough to get a discussion going. All combinations here are possible. For example, some companies have a new functionality task groups so you can be an in-house functional person dedicated to new implementations. The great majority of in-house folks do post-go-live support and the vast majority of consultants concentrate on new implementation, but there are no hard and fast rules.

原文参看:http://scn.sap.com/community/car ... career-paths-in-sap

同时另一篇也很好,Mid and Late SAP Career Path, 限于长度,就不贴了,但强烈推荐。
http://scn.sap.com/community/car ... te-sap-career-paths

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8. 学习SAP还是很有讲究的

以下的tips主要是针对业务模块而言,技术模块不了解。

Tip1: 别一开始就学配置,先熟悉常见的业务流程,再学习这些业务流程如何在SAP上操作。

Tip2: 熟悉操作之后,了解一些关键配置对业务流程的影响。

Tip3: 财务是贯穿SAP的主心骨,不论你是何背景,基础会计与FICO原理必须要懂得。

Tip4: IT人要多想想业务需求如何满足;商务人要多想想系统功能如何实现。

Tip5: 没有模块,只有流程。多从流程的角度思考问题,别陷入模块化的狭隘思维中。

Tip6: PA是SAP绝佳教材。

Tip7: 搞个培训系统,多练多测试,熟能生巧。

Tip8: SDN, Toolbox多上上,不怕不懂,就怕不问。
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本帖最后由 大尾巴甩甩 于 18-10-2013 22:09 编辑

9. 资源分享

SAP官网上找到自己感兴趣的方向,查到相关的PA课程代码,到下面网站去搜,一般都有。

1.        Filecrop.com
+ 大部分PA教材能从上面找到

2.        CSDN
+ CSDN上也有不少有用的
+ 缺少积分的同学用鬼哥CSDN免积分下载

3. opensap.com
https://open.sap.com/看看,说不定有你感兴趣的官方免费培训哦
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本帖最后由 大尾巴甩甩 于 19-10-2013 08:44 编辑

10. 关于未来的思考

传统模块的需求增长一般(如SD,MM),可能市场比较成熟,位置已经被老一辈占据轻易不能撼动。

最惨淡的将还是ABAP,外包趋势不减。相对新兴的模块如CRM, HR或者人才相对稀缺的模块如PS, PLM机会会更多一些。

澳洲今后增长最快的需求应该是HANA,Mobile Application, BI, Testing方面的Professional. 11年参加过SAP Innojam, HANA的速度确实惊艳,与Mobile Application,BI结合可能有创造性的业务提升。

以上只是一家之言,自己的路自己走,多做功课, 不要轻信包括本文以免被误导。

最后希望大家职业生涯都能顺顺利利,海外华人能越来越团结
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俺不是IT出身,而是金融专业,擅长数据挖据和大数据分析

嘿嘿,俺对金融是又爱又恨,谜底明日揭晓
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关注,谢谢分享

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大尾巴甩甩 发表于 14-10-2013 21:14
嘿嘿,俺对金融是又爱又恨,谜底明日揭晓

我等着你的帖加精华了
非常欣赏你的写法
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澳洲毕业又有本地工作经验,看好你,加油。

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关注楼主
我从SAP Tech Consultant(ABAPer)起步-->SAP SD Consultant-->目前也是类似SD Power User and BA    总共8yr工作经验 (主要是SCM -SD/MM/WM 也懂点ABAP) 做过外部实施项目 做过内部维护项目
目前也是支持数千个End User 我们公司的项目也是外包给一家印度公司
不同的是 我是offshore在国内工作 澳洲有open职位推荐不?呵呵
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加油。
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关注此贴。

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LZ别忘记更新啊,别怕无从说起,任何东西对关注人士来说都是重要的信息

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格菲 发表于 14-10-2013 21:53
我等着你的帖加精华了
非常欣赏你的写法

矮油,这奖金预支,想不写完都不行了:)
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Verkoop 发表于 15-10-2013 16:52
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我从SAP Tech Consultant(ABAPer)起步-->SAP SD Consultant-->目前也是类似SD Power User and BA ...

仅就工作过的公司而言,SAP专业职位都交给专门的猎头公司在招,如SAP speller.

新进的SAP相关岗位的同事都是这么进来的,职位甚至都没有Post到公司内网上,这仅是我所观察到的。

猎头一般会在自己公司现有的人才库中挑人,实在挑不到再去linkedin找人,有比较急的就直接上seek之类登广告。

您SCM方面经验虽足,但英语是关键。有朋友5年FICO经验过来,一开始还有几个面试,因为口语不够强全军覆没。
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大尾巴甩甩 发表于 16-10-2013 01:49
仅就工作过的公司而言,SAP专业职位都交给专门的猎头公司在招,如SAP speller.

新进的SAP相关岗位的同 ...

国内制造SD/MM6年经验的求职者留名。坐看强帖。
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今天手机丢了
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find my iphone

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大尾巴甩甩 发表于 14-10-2013 21:05
这份IT工作虽然稳定,可技术含量不高且职业上升空间很有限。船长梦依然在,却不再急于回国,回国不仅需要理 ...

+ IBM Mentor Program (虽然用处不太大,但聊胜于无)

-这个Program的问题是Mentor来自IBM墨尔本的各条线,而IBM的SAP位置主要在西澳,所以对VU的ERP专业学生针对性不强。
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大尾巴甩甩 发表于 14-10-2013 21:05
这份IT工作虽然稳定,可技术含量不高且职业上升空间很有限。船长梦依然在,却不再急于回国,回国不仅需要理 ...

近年来BI的热门也衍生出专门的课程,如
如Master of Business Analytics – Deakin University
http://www.deakin.edu.au/study-a ... /business-analytics
印象中Monash University, University of Adelaide的IT硕士也有小方向是BI相关的,具体情况不熟。

- 来澳洲学BI,Deakin大学应当是首选,IBM和Oracle两家公司的BI合作伙伴,应该对选择Cognos和BIEE的筒子适合。
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