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标题: 恐怖分子嫌疑人的叔叔怪罪澳洲福利体系 [打印本页]

作者: Fernando 时间: 6-8-2009 23:11
标题: 恐怖分子嫌疑人的叔叔怪罪澳洲福利体系
在周二的反恐行动中遭捕的嫌疑人的叔叔在接受媒体采访时，将矛头指向了澳洲的福利系统。他认为，是澳洲特殊的“人性关怀”导致了其22岁的侄子Yacqub Khaye步入深渊。

早在1991年时，由于索马里爆发内战，当时已经身在澳洲的IbrahimKhaye费尽周折将Yacqub一家带出了水深火热的索马里，来到了墨尔本的GladstonePark。据Ibrahim回忆，Yacqub从小懂事，待人尊重，并且在学校表现出色。但是随后的两件事改变了孩子的一生。

其一是在他12岁时，从小生活在一起，对他心灵有重要影响的外祖父过世。Yacqub自此出现了消沉的情绪，并结交了一些来自黎巴嫩的孩子。Ibrahim认为是这些人“带坏”了Yacqub。

其二是Yacqub曾有一次偷取了Ibrahim的车子。叔叔为了给孩子一个教训，决定向警方报警。然而，当Ibrahim前往警局准备带回Yacqub的时候，却听说孩子不想见到他。Ibrahim称，当时警员告诉Ibrahim，Yacqub已经同福利人员交流过，表露了从家里搬出去的念头。出于澳洲福利的规定，现在孩子的监护权属于政府。在一番说清无济于事之后，Ibrahim失望地回了家。

两年之后，Ibrahim接到警方电话，寻求Yacqub下落。Ibrahim当时回想起了一年前发生在伦敦地铁中的恐怖袭击事件的一个细节：恐怖分子利用年轻人的叛逆心理而召集他们参与袭击活动。Ibrahim开始担心起Yacqub。一年之后，叔侄两人再次相见时，Ibrahim语重心长地对Yacqub说，自由不是一种用来给别人制造麻烦的权利。不料，再次听见关于侄子的消息，就是本周二的逮捕事件了。

Ibrahim认为，尽管政府声称对问题孩子的关心，但是实际上却什么都没有做，而是任其发展。正是政府限制了家长对孩子的管教和帮助。Ibrahim甚至表示，他现在能够理解为何澳洲土著人称他们的孩子是“遗失的一代”，澳洲社会体系剥夺了家长权利。

Uncle blames welfare system for loss of nephew

http://www.theage.com.au/national/uncle-blames-welfare-system-for-loss-of-nephew-20090805-ea3j.html?page=-1
Selma Milovanovic
August 6, 2009

IBRAHIM Khayre wipes away tears and shakes his head.

To him, the story of his nephew, Yacqub Khayre, an accused terrorist, is one of a system that failed an intelligent boy.

It is a story that began in the chaos of war in Mogadishu in 1991, whenIbrahim, who was already living in Australia, brought three-year-oldYacqub and the rest of the family here to save them. It continued in anunremarkable suburban house in Gladstone Park, where Yacqub grew up andwas schooled locally, before becoming friends with Lebanese boys whowere a ‘‘bad influence’’.

This week, it ended in the arrest of Yacqub, 22, who is alleged to havetravelled to his birthplace, Somalia, this year, where he attended acamp where ‘‘weapons and military training may have happened’’. At thesame time, his co-accused allegedly sought a religious ruling to givethe group, suspected members of jihadist sect al-Shabab, approval toattack the Holsworthy army base in Sydney and a military target inVictoria.

Ibrahim Khayre is a law-abiding citizen who runs a coffee shop. He isnot religious, looks after his family and otherwise keeps to himself.He migrated to Australia in 1985 and, in 1991, brought his brother,Yacqub’s father, to Australia along with the rest of the family.

According to Somali custom, the children, including Yacqub, were lookedafter by Yacqub’s grandfather, Abdi, and his wife, in the house whereIbrahim also lived.

Yacqub grew up to be a respectable, disciplined boy, who was nice toothers and did well at school. But when he was in year 12, hisgrandfather, a major influence in his life, died and the boy lost hisway.
It was around this time, Ibrahim says, that his nephew began hanging out with the boys who were a ‘‘bad influence’’.

He ran amok, his marks suffered. He stole Ibrahim’s car. Ibrahim rangthe police in an effort to teach the boy a lesson about the law.

But when he got to Broadmeadows police station to pick up his wayward nephew, the police said the boy did not want to see him.

‘‘He’s already talking to social workers, he wants to move out of yourhouse,’’ police said, ‘‘I said, ‘this child is 17, he’s immature, wewant him back.’ The police said, ‘the welfare is here, it’s in thegovernment’s hands’.

‘‘I was crying in the police station and they were laughing at us. Theyconsidered us a bunch of undesirables and they knew nothing about him.’’

Ibrahim walked away, feeling betrayed by the system he was unable to change.

In 2006, the police rang him, trying to track down Yacqub. ‘‘I said, Idon’t know where he is. You took him from my house. He could besleeping with terrorists for all I know.’’

A year earlier, the London underground bombings had happened. Ibrahimparticularly remembered the stories of disaffected youth recruited byterrorists to kill innocents. He thought of those young men when thepolice rang him and wondered what was happening to his nephew.

A year later, uncle and nephew met at Yacqub’s parents’ place, wherethe young man, now living by himself, was visiting. Ibrahim told him:‘‘The freedom you’ve been given, Yacqub, is not a freedom to annoy ordo wrong to others.’’

The next time Ibrahim heard of his nephew was on Tuesday, when a man showed him a newspaper front page in his coffee shop.

Ibrahim thought back to that day when he sat at Broadmeadows police station crying, pleading to see his nephew.

‘‘We were let down by the system,’’ Ibrahim says. ‘‘The state who saidwe want to help, they did not. They left him out in the cold. It’s theGovernment that tied our hands.’’

Now, Ibrahim sits at home, plagued by insomnia, crying constantly.‘‘When I brought in the newspaper, my 13-year-old son said, ‘Dad, we’vebeen stigmatised, our name is bad’.’’

Ibrahim can’t connect the strange reality he suddenly finds himself inwith his work as a community liaison officer in Somalia in the 1990s,where he worked with local elders to ensure Australian peacekeeperswere not attacked.

The Khayres lived in Mogadishu, but their tribe is originally fromBaydo in Somalia’s south, known as the City of Death, where al-Shababand other warring groups have killed scores of innocents.

Ibrahim’s tears flow as he utters the words he says he thought he wouldnever say. He regrets bringing his family to Australia, even though itsaved their lives.

‘‘We are here to contribute, not to be destructive, but I wish I wasn’t here.

‘‘I understand now what Aborigines meant when they said their kids werestolen. We live in a system designed to take away our rights as afamily. It is a system where a human becomes a commodity.’’

作者: freeray 时间: 7-8-2009 09:35
很诚恳的言辞，权利和责任应该摆在一起，要不然就没有明天

作者: someonehappy 时间: 7-8-2009 12:40
有点道理啊

作者: sssddw 时间: 7-8-2009 12:48

作者: fly_cat 时间: 7-8-2009 13:05
这个uncle当时打过孩子吗？不然为什么政府会take监护权？

作者: chxu3549 时间: 7-8-2009 14:08
小孩不打那能成才阿

作者: chris605 时间: 8-8-2009 13:49
他们难民签证，监护权属于政府

作者: MacroJ 时间: 8-8-2009 14:18

作者: ubuntuhk 时间: 8-8-2009 14:38
说得不无道理。

作者: angel8791 时间: 8-8-2009 16:08
言之有理！

作者: alphabeta 时间: 8-8-2009 16:33
自由不是一种用来给别人制造麻烦的权利。

尽管政府声称对问题孩子的关心，但是实际上却什么都没有做，而是任其发展。正是政府限制了家长对孩子的管教和帮助。Ibrahim甚至表示，他现在能够理解为何澳洲土著人称他们的孩子是“遗失的一代”，澳洲社会体系剥夺了家长权利。

作者: stgeorge 时间: 8-8-2009 16:39
娃是个好娃，都是社会害得。
尽在这里扯JB蛋。
“自由不是一种用来给别人制造麻烦的权利。

尽管政府声称对问题孩子的关心，但是实际上却什么都没有做，而是任其发展。正是政府限制了家长对孩子的管教和帮助。Ibrahim甚至表示，他现在能够理解为何澳洲土著人称他们的孩子是“遗失的一代”，澳洲社会体系剥夺了家长权利。”

谁最应该该对孩子的教育负责？家长？政府？奥巴马对他的黑人兄弟们说，你们要承担起家庭的责任。
真的挺鄙视这种享受着福利又在骂娘的种族。换个角度，把这个小孩放到中国去试试？当然，几乎也没有人愿意移民中国。

作者: 冰翡翠 时间: 9-8-2009 01:01

原帖由 stgeorge 于 8-8-2009 15:39 发表

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娃是个好娃，都是社会害得。
尽在这里扯JB蛋。
“自由不是一种用来给别人制造麻烦的权利。

尽管政府声称对问题孩子的关心，但是实际上却什么都没有做，而是任其发展。正是政府限制了家长对孩子的管教和帮助。Ib ...

也许在发达国家没什么人愿意移民到中国去，但中国境内还是会有不少偷渡或者过期非法居留的外国公民在生活呢，别把中国说得象世界上最差的国家一样嘛。另外说说一个朋友在澳大利亚的亲身经历，就是一次他把11岁的孩子留在家中，然后去离家不远的地方买点东西，估计会在15分钟内返回。结果回来后发现孩子不在家，原来是被人举报她把不满12岁的儿童单独留在家中，而且人家留意到他们家不止一次，至少是两三回这样做，所以通知一个儿童什么机构把孩子给带走了，差点被剥夺了自己孩子的监护权

作者: Fernando 时间: 9-8-2009 01:25
呵呵，这个帖子和中国没关系，别扯过去，省得有几个人进来就开骂，好好的帖子废了

作者: aaabbbcccddd 时间: 9-8-2009 10:04
"尽在这里扯JB蛋。"
"真的挺鄙视这种享受着福利又在骂娘的种族。"
"把这个小孩放到中国去试试？"

看了这些,还能说什么呢?可悲的居然还是一个会用中文的人.

作者: 寂寞在歌唱 时间: 9-8-2009 10:42

原帖由 Fernando 于 9-8-2009 00:25 发表

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呵呵，这个帖子和中国没关系，别扯过去，省得有几个人进来就开骂，好好的帖子废了

预言很准，狼来了。。。

作者: frankiehuang 时间: 9-8-2009 13:24

原帖由 冰翡翠 于 9-8-2009 00:01 发表

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也许在发达国家没什么人愿意移民到中国去，但中国境内还是会有不少偷渡或者过期非法居留的外国公民在生活呢，别把中国说得象世界上最差的国家一样嘛。另外说说一个朋友在澳大利亚的亲身经历，就是一次他把11岁的 ...

这真是个难以取舍的平衡。
家庭暴力政府是需要管的，但是否父母连小小的体罚难以教育的孩子都不行呢？

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