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作者: tanshen 时间: 8-5-2008 21:38
标题: Unit 1 - Operate vehicle
Unit 1 - Operate vehicle
Operating the vehicle can be broken down into these five elements: 1. Make sure the vehicle is safe. 2. Get ready to drive. 3. Move off. 4. Use instruments and switches. 5. Stop.
1.1. Make sure the vehicle is safe
1.1.1. Make sure that the vehicle is legal to drive.
Check all these:
current, valid registration sticker;
inflation and valve caps - all tyres, including spare;
all lights;• windscreen wipers;
horn; and
the vehicle’s bodywork.
If you need further information read Section 1.4 of drive safe.
1.1.2. Check basic maintenance points.
Check these items:
the windscreen is clear;
there is enough air pressure in the tyres (look at the tyre sticker in the car to find out the correct amount.);
There is enough fuel;
the fluids under the bonnet are at their correct levels - engine oil, radiator coolant, brake fluid, steering fluid and windscreen washer bottle;
the electrical connections under the bonnet are secure; and• fan belts are in good condition and correctly tensioned.
1.1.3. Make sure that when you leave the vehicle it is parked safely.
Check these points:• the handbrake is holding the vehicle;
a manual vehicle is in first gear (if it is on the flat or facing uphill) or reverse gear (if it faces downhill);
the tyres are turned towards the kerb;• an automatic is in park;• the ignition is locked;
the windows are closed;
the key is removed;
all the doors are locked;
the vehicle is legally and safely parked (read Drive Safe for full details); and
the parking position is safe.
1.2. Get Ready to Drive
1.2.1. Check whether you meet the legal requirements to drive.
You have a learner’s permit or a driver’s licence with you.
The vehicle has the proper plates on it (L or P).
You are following any special conditions on your licence or permit (for example, driving aids like special controls, contact lenses or glasses).
Make sure you comply with any restrictions on your licence or permit.
1.2.2. Check that you can find the controls and that they work properly.
Check each one of these:
security system and steering lock - find out how to operate them;
handbrake - find it, put it on and make sure it feels firm;
footbrake - should also feel firm;
gears - where they are, and how many there are;• clutch - how its pedal feels to move;
position of accelerator; and• instruments, switches and controls - where they are and how they work.
1.2.3. Sit in the driver’s seat in a way that lets you control and operate the vehicle effectively.

Here are the important points for a good driving posture:
Sit with your legs apart, and your left foot on the brace if there is one.
The seat supports your legs, and you can fully press the clutch pedal
with your left foot.
Your knees are slightly bent and will not lock into a straight position if you fully stretch them.
Your hands can make a full turn of the steering wheel, and there is a slight bend in the elbows when your shoulders are against the seat.
Adjust the head restraint (if you can) to suit the height of your head.  It’s usually about level with the top of your ear.
Adjust the seat height, and its base and back supports, to suit you.
Adjust the steering wheel to suit you.  Make sure it doesn’t block the instruments or cramp your legs.
1.2.4. Adjust the mirrors to see as much as possible.
The rear window shows evenly in the centre mirror.
In the side mirrors you can just see the tip of your door handle in the lower edge of the mirror.
1.2.5. Put on and adjust the driver’s seat belt.
These are the important points for correctly putting on your seat belt:• the lower part of the belt fits below the stomach;
there are no twists in the belt where it touches your body;
make the belt firm - pull out any slack between the belt and your body; and
adjust the shoulder height if the facility to do so is available.
1.2.6. Make sure the inside of the cabin is safe.
Make sure nothing is loose inside the car - store things in the boot or glove box if you have to.
In a station wagon or a van, make sure that any cargo cannot move about.
Close the doors (and lock them if you feel safer that way).
Make sure the passengers have put on their seat belts and adjusted them.
1.2.7. Set the climate control and demisters.
Set them for the conditions you expect on this journey.
1.3. Move Off
1.3.1. Start the engine.
Make sure you know the best way to start this vehicle so that it will run, and keep running.  The vehicle should be standing still when you start the engine.
Make sure you know what to do if the engine does not start the first time or if it does not keep running.
1.3.2. Select gear.
Keep the vehicle stopped and hold it with the footbrake before you select a gear.
The gear you select will be the one that lets the vehicle move off in the right direction without straining the engine.
1.3.3. Move off smoothly.
You should move off without jerking the car.
If you make a mistake while moving off you should be able to fix it immediately and not allow the mistake to affect other parts of your driving.
You should ensure the handbrake is fully released.
1.3.4. Move off on a hill.

This can be either uphill or downhill.

You should move off without rolling the wrong way.  It is not necessary to use the handbrake if you can take off smoothly without it.
You should be able to move off without jerking the car.
If you make a mistake while moving off you should be able to fix it immediately and not allow the mistake to affect other parts of your driving.
1.4. Use instruments and switches.
1.4.1. Check the gauges and warning lights after the engine starts.
You must know what to do if warning lights do not go off at the proper times.  You should also know what to do if the gauges tell you there is a problem.
1.4.2. While driving, respond to gauges and warning lights by taking the necessary action.
• You must know what to do when warning lights come on or gauges say there is a problem.
• You should respond to warning lights and gauges in less than thirty seconds.
1.4.3. Use switches and other controls as you need them.
The switches and other controls include:
lights* indicators, horn and hazard lights
wipers
climate and ventilation controls
cruise control* the side window
equipment for entertainment and communications.
1.5. Stop
1.5.1. Stop the vehicle.
When you stop, you should not strain any of the car’s mechanical parts or jerk the vehicle.
The vehicle should stand safely, with the engine running.
1.5.2. Use the park brake to hold the vehicle in place.
If you are going to leave the vehicle, or if you  will not be driving away again immediately, you must put on the handbrake.
Pull hard enough on the handbrake to hold the vehicle still (as hard as if you were starting on a hill).
1.5.3. Switch the engine off.
Do this in a way that suits the vehicle.
1.5.4. Select a gear that makes the vehicle safe.
Place an automatic vehicle in ‘Park’.
Place a manual vehicle in first or reverse gear.  When you are facing uphill on a steep slope, select first gear; when you are facing downhill, select reverse.

Unit 2 - Guide and control vehicle
These are the skills you need to accurately drive and position the vehicle on the road:
1. Manoeuvre the vehicle 2. Manage the accelerator 3. Manage the brakes 4. Manage the steering 5. Use the gears 6. Use accelerator, brakes, steering and gears smoothly and together.
2.1. Manoeuvre Vehicle
You must be able to do these manoeuvres:
straight reversing;
reversing left and right;
parallel reverse parking (from left and right sides);
parallel forward parking;
angle parking 45° and 90° (from left and right sides); and
U-turns, including 3-point turns.
To do all these, there are some things you must do.
2.1.1. Make the manoeuvre legal.
Making it legal includes:

how and where you stop
where you park.
Read Drive Safe page 3.4.
2.1.2. Before you start the manoeuvre check in the mirrors, signal with the indicators and check the rear blind spot.
To give other drivers enough warning, you need to signal at least 30 metres before you stop to park.
The indicators should flash at least three times.
2.1.3. Check that the manoeuvre is safe.
Look over the whole area where the vehicle will go during the manoeuvre, and then check that it is safe to continue.  You should not get in other road users' way any more than you have to while you are manoeuvring.
2.1.4. Select the right place to start.
Move to a starting position that suits what you want to do.  For example, approach a forward angle park so that you can get in with the smallest possible number of movements.
In parallel parking the starting position is between a half and one metre out from a vehicle that is already parker. Remember, don't get in other people's way if you can avoid it.
2.1.5. Keep watching.
You may use the mirrors to help you.  But don't adjust the mirrors on the passenger's side while you are manoeuvring.
You may look in more than one direction while you are manoeuvring, but you must look in the right direction at the right time.  For example, when you are doing a reverse parallel park, you must check that as the front of your vehicle swings in, it will clear the parked vehicle in front.
2.1.6. Control direction and speed precisely.
While you are performing the manoeuvre the vehicle has to go the way you want it to.
The movements must be steady and smooth.
Keep the speed slow enough so that you can compensate for any mistakes you make.
2.1.7. Place the vehicle accurately at the end of the manoeuvre.
Do not touch the kerb or ride up on it. The number of car movements each manoeuvre should take are as follows:
reverse parallel park - three;
forward parallel park - one;
angle park - one;
U-turn - one; and
three-point turn - three.
2.2. Manage Accelerator
2.2.1. Move the accelerator smoothly on and off to change speed.
'Smoothly' means in small movements.  When you use the accelerator it should not jerk the people in the vehicle.
2.2.2. Use the accelerator to keep a steady speed.
On a level road you must be able to keep a steady speed for a certain time by adjusting the accelerator smoothly.
2.2.3. Use the accelerator to deal with a hill.
When you meet a hill - up or down -  where you don't need to change gears, you need to be able to adjust the accelerator to keep to the same speed.
2.3. Manage Brakes
2.3.1. Brake efficiently.
Use the brakes as the main means for slowing the vehicle.
Use the brakes mainly while the vehicle is travelling straight.
Choose the best part of the road surface for braking.
When going down hills use the engine braking to help the vehicle's brakes.
Do not skid.• Vary the brake pressure according to changes in the road surface.
2.3.2. Brake smoothly and steadily.
Brake gently at first, and then apply pressure smoothly until the vehicle is slowing as much as you want.  Just before stopping, ease off the pressure (to avoid jerking your passengers), and then ease the pressure back on.
Use your right foot on the brake pedal.
2.3.3. Stop accurately at a point.
Vary the brake pressure to make the vehicle come to a steady stop.
The vehicle must stop within one metre of the chosen stopping point.
2.4. Manage Steering
2.4.1. Steer smoothly making the vehicle go exactly where it should.
Steer with both hands unless  you are using other controls.
Don't grip the wheel any tighter than you have to.
Sit so that you can properly control and operate the vehicle.
When you are steering and 'straightening up' the vehicle, it should always be going exactly where it should.  For example, if you are letting the steering wheel slip through your fingers, the car has to keep following the correct path. Use the steering method that best suits you, but you should always be able to turn the wheel further if you have to.
2.4.2. Steer an accurate course when driving in a straight line.
Steer with both hands unless you are using other controls.
The hands should be outside the wheel with the palms on the rim at about the ten to two or quarter to three position. Don't grip the wheel any tighter than you have to.
2.4.3. Steer an accurate course in curves.
Steer with both hands unless you are using other controls. Don't grip the wheel any tighter than you have to.
When steering through a turn or curve, sit so that you can effectively control and operate the vehicle.
2.5. Use Gears
2.5.1. Change gears smoothly.
'Smoothly' means  that changing gears does not jerk the passengers.
You must be able to finish selecting a gear in 5 seconds or less.  (Time this from when you first move the clutch pedal to when you have fully released it again.)
When you change to a lower gear, smoothly match the engine speed to the road speed.
If your vehicle is an automatic, avoid 'kickdown' by using the accelerator gently, and by selecting a lower gear yourself before you need it.
2.5.2. Use a suitable gear for the speed and driving conditions.
'Suitable' gear means the engine is not over-revving or straining.
Pick a gear that will not cause the vehicle to skid.
Select the gear before you need it, for example before going down a steep hill.(You do not always have to select gears in 'gearbox order'.  For example, you can go straight from 5th to 2nd if necessary.)
2.5.3. Change gears mainly while the vehicle is travelling in a straight line.
A gear change is not over until you have released the clutch pedal.
This means you should also release the clutch pedal while you are still travelling in a straight line.
At an intersection or curve you should not change gears while you are turning the steering wheel.
You may change gears in a turn only if you are not turning the steering wheel at the same time and if the gear change does not unbalance the vehicle.  You may sometimes need to do it this way  when you are turning at intersections.
2.5.4. When changing to a lower gear, get the speed right first.
Adjust your speed so that when you change gear it does not jerk the vehicle, or make the engine over-rev.
Slow down first using the brakes before you change gear.
2.5.5. When going down hills, select a suitable gear
A 'suitable gear' here is one which can help with braking if necessary.  It can also mean that you do not have to use the brakes too hard, or for too long.

2.6. Match controls smoothly together
2.6.1. When braking into a turn, ease off the brake pressure to suit the increasing steering load.
If you are putting the brakes on firmly as you come into a turn, you must ease off the braking as you start turning the steering wheel, so that the tyres can have enough grip to steer.
2.6.2. When you are holding the steering steady in a turn, keep the speed steady.
This means that the vehicle does not accelerate much.
2.6.3. When driving out of turns, accelerate to match the steering straightening up.
Steering should be reducing as the car accelerates.
2.6.4. Adjust steering, braking and acceleration to variations in the road surface.
You should be able to adjust smoothly, and the vehicle should be able to safely handle major changes in speed or direction.
It will be unsatisfactory if:
your adjustments jerk the passengers in the vehicle;
you ask too much of the tyres (obvious noise from the tyres); or
the tyres are about to lose grip.
2.6.5. Combine braking and gear changing efficiently.
Brake, and change gear, mainly while the vehicle is travelling straight.
The action should not jerk the passengers.
Finish each gear change in a reasonable time.
The engine speed does not go too high as you finish selecting the gear.
The wheels are driving again before you do any steering.
2.6.6. In turns and on poor surfaces prevent automatic transmissions from 'kicking down'.
Use the accelerator gently.  You can also change manually to a lower gear before a turn or a bad surface

Unit 3 - Drive in an orderly traffic system
These are driving techniques you use in a traffic system where everyone is obeying the rules.
Eventually you can use these techniques almost without thinking.

To drive in an orderly traffic system you do these things:
1. Use driving procedures. 2. Pick routes through the road system. 3. Pass through the road and traffic system. 4. Travel with traffic and respond to it. 5. Drive efficiently in the traffic system. 6. Adjust your driving for poor visibility

3.1. Use Driving Procedures
Driving procedures are drills or routines that help drivers deal with things that they do regularly.  Competent drivers have these as habits - which means that they can do them almost without thinking.
3.1.1. Before you move the vehicle more than one vehicle’s width to the side: check in the mirrors, use the signals and look in the rear blind spot.

Do this in situations like changing lanes, entering slip lanes or turning lanes when you come up to intersections, lanes ending and merging, entering and leaving traffic flow, U-turns, entering and leaving freeways, or responding to emergency vehicles.

When leaving a parked position, the indicator should be on for 3 seconds or 3 flashes before moving off.
Your indicators should start at least 30 metres before starting the manoeuvre; and stay on until you have finished it.  You must turn them off  within three flashes after completing the manoeuvre.
Check the rear blind spot just before you start to move sideways.
3.1.2. Before entering any zone where something could cause you to slow or stop: check in the mirrors, adjust your speed, and select the best gear.

Do this especially at places like intersections, roundabouts and crossings (pedestrian crossings, pelican crossings, railway crossings).  Other places where you should do it are where you find pedestrians, cyclists, parked vehicles and road works.

Use the mirrors together with the brakes.  This means you check the mirrors just before you brake.

3.1.3. Before turning the vehicle at an intersection: check in the mirrors, use the signals, adjust speed, and change gears.
Do this anywhere that roads meet: intersections, roundabouts and turning into driveways.

Indicators should be on for a minimum of 30 metres before you start the manoeuvre.  You must turn off the signals within three flashes after completing the manoeuvre.

3.1.4. Before you enter a curve: check in the mirrors, brake as needed, change gears as needed.
Do this at curves in city and country areas.
Use the mirrors together with the brakes. This means you check the mirrors just before you brake.

[ 本帖最后由 tanshen 于 2-6-2008 11:09 编辑 ]

作者: ciprol 时间: 8-5-2008 22:30
美国, 总跟中国敌对. 愿意住在那个国家, 支持那样的政府吗?

作者: goldeneye 时间: 8-5-2008 22:39

原帖由 tanshen 于 8-5-2008 21:36 发表

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大道理不用说，自己过好，家人过好就好。

中央领导如果有一个人的家庭亲戚没有在国外的，我可以把我自己的头砍掉。

记得去纽约旅游，路过新泽西洲，导游告诉大家：“邓小平的女儿邓蓉在纽约和新泽西都有房地 ...

是这样的，所以，美国总的来说要比其他国家都好，至少对自己的发展会好很多。澳洲就是过过安稳的日子，久了也许会丧失向前冲的勇气，有挑战才能进步。

作者: rayki 时间: 8-5-2008 22:41
别的不知道。澳大利亚的产假是无法律依据的。各个公司是按照不同的规定自行处理。昨天看报纸说世界上美国。和澳洲是唯一两个发达国家对产假没有做出明文规定的国家。
我们公司是三个月pay薪水的产假。最长休息到一年。但是后面就不pay薪水了。
再补充。正巧今天中午和女同事聊天得知此信息的。如果加上两个年假，基本上有将近4个半月到5个月的pay薪水的产假。。

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作者: goldeneye 时间: 8-5-2008 22:45
楼主现在在哪里？？

作者: chubbycat 时间: 8-5-2008 22:46
所有东西，基本澳洲都比加拿大的贵很多，不是贵一点点。 - agreed

作者: goldeneye 时间: 8-5-2008 22:47

原帖由 chubbycat 于 8-5-2008 21:46 发表

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所有东西，基本澳洲都比加拿大的贵很多，不是贵一点点。 - agreed

作者: 杉木许 时间: 8-5-2008 22:50
楼主现在在哪里？？

作者: tanshen 时间: 8-5-2008 22:53
说谁啊？

我在澳洲

作者: xx2003 时间: 8-5-2008 22:53

原帖由 tanshen 于 8-5-2008 20:38 发表

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美国去过2次，在加拿大好几年，新西兰住过2周，澳洲住过10月，不过6年前已经作为移民登陆过SYDNEY， AUSTRALIA。加拿大大城市基本都去过，美国东海岸的大城市基本都去过。

如果能力强，牛，美国最好，东西便宜， ...

卡圣说的很对，很真实。

相比美国，澳洲的车真是贵得没道理

作者: chubbycat 时间: 8-5-2008 22:58

原帖由 goldeneye 于 8-5-2008 21:47 发表

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作者: NEWGAY 时间: 9-5-2008 03:07
标题: 回复 #13 chubbycat 的帖子
肥猫修养真好啊。人家楼主说的很客观，肥猫肯定一下怎末了

作者: rabbit75 时间: 9-5-2008 04:06
跳出中国，眼界高了不是一点半点啊，我现在还没感受到澳洲的坏处，纯旁观一下

作者: ciprol 时间: 9-5-2008 04:27

原帖由 tanshen 于 8/5/2008 21:36 发表

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大道理不用说，自己过好，家人过好就好。

中央领导如果有一个人的家庭亲戚没有在国外的，我可以把我自己的头砍掉。

这个感受是个人的, 和ZF官员没半点关系. 这里也只限美国, 不是所有的"国外". 当然, 在美国纯粹享受物质的生活是相当舒服, 但前题是需要有钱. 如果失业, 低收入的需要医疗治疗, 那够你受的.

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作者: laureate 时间: 9-5-2008 09:32
标题: 回复 #1 tanshen 的帖子
好文，不知澳洲的收入跟加拿大比如何？

作者: 还是巴豆 时间: 9-5-2008 10:17

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作者: ciprol 时间: 9-5-2008 11:33

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再补充一句，我离开加拿大的时候，汽油是１块两毛多。

没太多意思. 国际油价由市场决定, 个别国家是阻止不了的. 另外, 住加拿大就要增加取暖费用. 油价越高, 基本生活费用也越高.

作者: 阿穆隆 时间: 9-5-2008 12:57
看来加拿大的申请还要继续！！

作者: milanmengxiang 时间: 9-5-2008 13:31

原帖由 ciprol 于 8-5-2008 21:30 发表

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美国, 总跟中国敌对. 愿意住在那个国家, 支持那样的政府吗?

仁兄,这一点上我和你有不同意见.
且不说二战美国的贡献.你看看1943年我D的新华日报对老美的赞颂,那叫一个肉麻呀........呵呵
那篇文章叫<民主颂>

作者: ciprol 时间: 9-5-2008 14:31

原帖由 milanmengxiang 于 9/5/2008 12:31 发表

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仁兄,这一点上我和你有不同意见.
且不说二战美国的贡献.你看看1943年我D的新华日报对老美的赞颂,那叫一个肉麻呀........呵呵
那篇文章叫

不同意见在论坛上是正常的. 没问题.

至于说美国在二战的贡献. 这里需要澄清几点. 美国一直没参入太平洋的战争, 来帮中国和其它东南亚国家. 直到日本偷袭了珍珠港, 美国的利益直接受损后它才出兵. 战后, 占领日本和关岛等地也都是为了顺机扩张自己的势力范围. 所以, 它在二战里的贡献只能说是为了自己的利益, 没什么好宣扬的. 它在欧洲出兵也不是那么心甘情愿. 也都是自己利益受损后才发生的. 当然, 这些没错, 基本上每个国家都在为自己的利益. 但千万别信那些吹牛的言论.

作者: beysup 时间: 9-5-2008 14:57
美国薪水高，物价低，福利不好；加拿大福利好，物价和美国相差不多，但工作难找；澳洲环境好，工作机会多，福利不如加拿大但比美国好，物价高。

根据以上假设，可以抽象出几点：薪水，福利，物价（包括房价，汽车），自然环境，找工作容易度。根据这些进行排名

国家薪水，福利，物价便宜度（包括房价，汽车），自然环境，找工易度
美国 1，3，1，3，2
加拿大 3，1，2，2，3
澳洲 2，2，3，1，1

根据以上总结
1。如果你比较强，喜欢高薪，优越的物质生活，并且想有所发展，那么美国是你最好的选择
2。如果你已经很有钱，希望过宁静的退休般的生活，加拿大是你的最好选择，澳洲次之
3。如果你向往好的自然环境，喜欢碧海蓝天，并不太在意工作，事业和钱，澳洲等着你

作者: ciprol 时间: 9-5-2008 15:03
如果已经很有钱, 三个国家都有房子, 三边跑. 但如果已经很有钱了, 那在那儿都可以在物质上过的很舒服.

但别忘记考虑社会治安如绑票, 抢案, 枪案等. 有钱的也有钱带来的问题...

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作者: milanmengxiang 时间: 9-5-2008 15:11

原帖由 ciprol 于 9-5-2008 13:31 发表

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不同意见在论坛上是正常的. 没问题.

至于说美国在二战的贡献. 这里需要澄清几点. 美国一直没参入太平洋的战争, 来帮中国和其它东南亚国家. 直到日本偷袭了珍珠港, 美国的利益直接受损后它才出兵. 战后, 占领日本 ...

是的,您说的没错.可是,当时的客观情况就是那样,罗斯福是主张参战,可是美国人民不同意,直到珍珠港事件后国会才通过参战的法案.确实,它参战是奔着自己的利益去的.但在客观上,它的参战对世界反法西斯战争帮助巨大.除了直接参战,它的粮食,武器援助给欧洲,中国极大帮助(要不要钱的先不提).在远东战场,如果没有美国参战,中国的抗战胜利肯定会迟好几年.

作者: nizi 时间: 9-5-2008 15:30
标题: 回复 #19 bunnyToT 的帖子
现在在Sydney，找房子找的头痛。房子比工作还要难找。---贵！

作者: ciprol 时间: 9-5-2008 15:32

原帖由 milanmengxiang 于 9/5/2008 14:11 发表

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是的,您说的没错.可是,当时的客观情况就是那样,罗斯福是主张参战,可是美国人民不同意,直到珍珠港事件后国会才通过参战的法案.确实,它参战是奔着自己的利益去的.但在客观上,它的参战对世界反法西斯战争帮助巨大.除了直接参战,它的粮食,武器援助给欧洲,中国极大帮助(要不要钱的先不提).在远东战场,如果没有美国参战,中国的抗战胜利肯定会迟好几年.

但如果没有美国的后盾, 那台湾可能早就同时解放了, 西藏达赖也不会得到美国, 通过CIA组织的撑腰, 让它持续为一个势力. 老实说, 美国是二战的最大得利国. 那些欧洲的老文化都赔了. 美国在世界政治舞台上从来没自我牺牲过.

作者: nizi 时间: 9-5-2008 15:34
标题: 美国自然环境资源丰富
地大物博，地貌繁多，资源辽阔，不用节约水，电，物价便宜！房价便宜！
只是，工作压力大，需要你很有能力，顶尖级的人都在那呢。

作者: nizi 时间: 9-5-2008 15:35
标题: O
MOG 第二页了！

作者: 青山 时间: 9-5-2008 15:48
Kaku又来了。加拿大现在油价多少？

作者: ciprol 时间: 9-5-2008 15:50

原帖由 nizi 于 9/5/2008 14:34 发表

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不用节约水，电，物价便宜！房价便宜！

谁说的? 你Google一下"water shortage USA", "electricity shortage USA"就知道, 水电资源的缺乏不是几个国家的问题.

http://www.sixwise.com/newslette ... angerous_crisis.htm
http://www.solarattic.com/wsj.html
http://www.greatlakesdirectory.o ... 02_water_crisis.htm

美国的资源浪费是大家都知道的事实.

作者: milanmengxiang 时间: 9-5-2008 15:58

原帖由 ciprol 于 9-5-2008 14:32 发表

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但如果没有美国的后盾, 那台湾可能早就同时解放了, 西藏达赖也不会得到美国, 通过CIA组织的撑腰, 让它持续为一个势力. 老实说, 美国是二战的最大得利国. 那些欧洲的老文化都赔了. 美国在世界政治舞台上从来没自我牺 ...

呵呵,不说别的,你忍心看台湾人民和我们一起高喊"HX社会好"吗?

您可能对美国有些成见,每个地方都有好与不好的一面,不过个人感情色彩太浓可能会影响您对事物的整体判断.个人看法,错了请不要见怪.
呵呵,不谈国事,只谈风月吧,听听你们大家的生活经历还真长见识.

作者: bunnyToT 时间: 9-5-2008 19:09
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作者: ciprol 时间: 9-5-2008 19:47

原帖由 milanmengxiang 于 9/5/2008 14:58 发表

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呵呵,不说别的,你忍心看台湾人民和我们一起高喊"HX社会好"吗?
您可能对美国有些成见,每个地方都有好与不好的一面,不过个人感情色彩太浓可能会影响您对事物的整体判断.个人看法,错了请不要见怪.
呵呵,不谈国 ...

不喊"HX社会好"就要喊台独的口号. 所以, 喊什么都是小事, 但国家分裂是民族的大事.

对于美国不是成见, 而是在那儿住过, 经常去出差, 了解它那儿的极端社会. 好的可以非常好, 但坏的也可以非常坏. 所以还是喜欢澳洲这儿的社会.

作者: chubbycat 时间: 10-5-2008 09:33

原帖由 nizi 于 9-5-2008 14:34 发表

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地大物博，地貌繁多，资源辽阔，不用节约水，电，物价便宜！房价便宜！
只是，工作压力大，需要你很有能力，顶尖级的人都在那呢。

作者: chubbycat 时间: 10-5-2008 09:46

原帖由 beysup 于 9-5-2008 13:57 发表

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美国薪水高，物价低，福利不好；加拿大福利好，物价和美国相差不多，但工作难找；澳洲环境好，工作机会多，福利不如加拿大但比美国好，物价高。

根据以上假设，可以抽象出几点：薪水，福利，物价（包括房价，汽车 ...

福利不好 - the difference is OZ and Canada offer Medicare yet you'd still need to buy private insurance to cover dental, vision and etc.

In the US the benefits are provided by the employer which covers almost everything.

作者: robbyls 时间: 10-5-2008 10:33

原帖由 nizi 于 9-5-2008 12:30 PM 发表

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现在在Sydney，找房子找的头痛。房子比工作还要难找。---贵！

说明这里经济好，在上升。

作者: robbyls 时间: 10-5-2008 10:36
有没有把加拿大一到冬天每个月300-500元的取暧费（如果买了House的话）算进去？另外加拿大房子每年的地税要比澳大利亚高不少哟！将来总是要买房子的吧！

以前喜欢加拿大，现在觉得更喜欢澳洲。不过还没有分到VO呢

作者: uspepper 时间: 10-5-2008 13:05
Trash，我没种，从今天开始我做你的忠实读者，做你的铁杆粉丝，你帖子发到哪我就跟到哪

作者: laowantong 时间: 10-5-2008 13:11
其实, 现在这个社会, 那个国家都是"极端社会. 好的可以非常好, 但坏的也可以非常坏."

平民百姓, 自求多福吧

作者: 8戒 时间: 10-5-2008 13:14
较上劲了呀~~

作者: uspepper 时间: 10-5-2008 13:15
这年头不是流行光脚的不怕穿鞋的么？楼主是本坛的名人，跟他死磕也算是我成为本坛新名人的捷径。楼主您大人大量，就成全了我吧。我不怕您给我扣分了，您扣分是我进步的动力！实在不行我就学学楼主，多换几身行头呗，换完了再发个帖子声明我就是谁谁谁，因为啥啥啥起哪个名

作者: uspepper 时间: 10-5-2008 13:17

原帖由 justin9302 于 10-5-2008 12:14 发表

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较上劲了呀~~

原来是对事不对人，现在是对人不对事。打扰各位坛友了，提前给大家道个歉，说不准哪天被咔嚓了就上不来这个论坛了。

作者: ciprol 时间: 10-5-2008 14:14
要看看对人不对事的讨论是如何进行的.

作者: 8戒 时间: 10-5-2008 14:17
持续关注ing...声明我从昨天晚上一直看到国内凌晨六点半，起床继续关注。看了MARS的再看卡圣的。哈哈，我算是够无聊的了。给加分不？

作者: kkmao2005 时间: 10-5-2008 15:17

原帖由 ciprol 于 9-5-2008 13:31 发表

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不同意见在论坛上是正常的. 没问题.

至于说美国在二战的贡献. 这里需要澄清几点. 美国一直没参入太平洋的战争, 来帮中国和其它东南亚国家. 直到日本偷袭了珍珠港, 美国的利益直接受损后它才出兵. 战后, 占领日本 ...

你哪个学校毕业的？
念过书吗？
你所谓澄清的那几点是从何而来的？
当然，你没赶上二次大战，但这并不妨碍你从你一些公开途径获取相关知识。
请不要再无知者无畏下去了。
如果没有美国二战的巨大贡献，恐怕你现在是个日本人，那样你从教科书上得到的东西又会是另外一番说法了。
说实在的，稍有点文化的人，真正对历史有兴趣的人，具备一点历史常识的人，都不会像你现在这样信口开河的胡说八道。
又说多了，本来三年前我就下决心不在freeoz上教育人了，看见那些党棍就当他们不存在，可看到你这样赤裸裸的歪曲历史事实，真是忍无可忍。
求你了，学习一下再来行吗？
你知道什么是租借法案吗？知道美国在参战前向英国苏联提供了多少军援吗？
苏联从美国大鼻子那里拿了多少好东西，过去是从来不说的，好像没发生过一样。
这些信息都是不被提及的，有意遗忘历史。
知道日本为什么要向美国开战吗？其中之一的原因是美国切断了对日本石油等物资的供应。
真有兴趣，就踏踏实实去读点关于二战史的普及读物吧，真的不难找。

[ 本帖最后由 kkmao2005 于 10-5-2008 14:23 编辑 ]

作者: XT 时间: 10-5-2008 15:19

原帖由 robbyls 于 10-5-2008 09:36 发表

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有没有把加拿大一到冬天每个月300-500元的取暧费（如果买了House的话）算进去？另外加拿大房子每年的地税要比澳大利亚高不少哟！将来总是要买房子的吧！

以前喜欢加拿大，现在觉得更喜欢澳洲。不过还没有分到VO呢 ...

我在猫本. 冬天的六,七,八三个月, 烧煤气的暖气, 每月的暖气费也得两百多. 当然很多人很能挺, 暖气基本不用.

作者: kkmao2005 时间: 10-5-2008 15:21

原帖由 ciprol 于 9-5-2008 14:32 发表

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但如果没有美国的后盾, 那台湾可能早就同时解放了, 西藏达赖也不会得到美国, 通过CIA组织的撑腰, 让它持续为一个势力. 老实说, 美国是二战的最大得利国. 那些欧洲的老文化都赔了. 美国在世界政治舞台上从来没自我牺 ...

美国不参战，最大的得利者就是德意日轴心国，感谢上帝吧，你不是犹太人。

作者: kkmao2005 时间: 10-5-2008 15:22

原帖由 uspepper 于 10-5-2008 12:15 发表

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这年头不是流行光脚的不怕穿鞋的么？楼主是本坛的名人，跟他死磕也算是我成为本坛新名人的捷径。楼主您大人大量，就成全了我吧。我不怕您给我扣分了，您扣分是我进步的动力！实在不行我就学学楼主，多换几身行头呗， ...

不了解情况本不便发言
但仁兄这几话一出口，一个很鲜活的形象跃然纸上。
敢问，先生姓牛吧？祖居东京汴梁人士？

作者: beysup 时间: 10-5-2008 15:24
炸楼专家

作者: kkmao2005 时间: 10-5-2008 15:36
美国人在危急时刻拯救了文明世界，战后又为文明世界的复兴提供援助，知道马歇尔计划吗？帮助欧洲从一片废墟中重新站立起来。
我就不明白了，美国人所做的这一切怎么让有些人看着那么不顺眼？
难道让轴心国取得胜利才是令你兴高采烈的事吗？
你是国家社会主义工人党的党员吗？
西方有个作家写过一本假想历史的小说，假设美国没有参战，德国成为超级大国，德美两国在世界上平分秋色。
感谢上帝，那只是假设。

作者: uspepper 时间: 10-5-2008 16:37

原帖由 kkmao2005 于 10-5-2008 14:22 发表

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不了解情况本不便发言
但仁兄这几话一出口，一个很鲜活的形象跃然纸上。
敢问，先生姓牛吧？祖居东京汴梁人士？

您这是夸我呀还是损我呀？不管是夸我还是损我，反正是引起您的注意了。
小可不姓牛

作者: kkmao2005 时间: 10-5-2008 16:38

原帖由 uspepper 于 10-5-2008 15:37 发表

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您这是夸我呀还是损我呀？不管是夸我还是损我，反正是引起您的注意了。
小可不姓牛

在下姓杨

作者: rabbit75 时间: 10-5-2008 16:49

原帖由 uspepper 于 10-5-2008 12:05 发表

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Trash，我没种，从今天开始我做你的忠实读者，做你的铁杆粉丝，你帖子发到哪我就跟到哪

就这么屈服啦

作者: uspepper 时间: 10-5-2008 17:10
回楼上，不是屈服，是从今开始做tanshen(what so ever)的铁丝，死磕到底！

作者: ciprol 时间: 10-5-2008 18:45

原帖由 kkmao2005 于 10/5/2008 14:17 发表

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你哪个学校毕业的？
念过书吗？
你所谓澄清的那几点是从何而来的？
当然，你没赶上二次大战，但这并不妨碍你从你一些公开途径获取相关知识...

糟糕, 难道我把母校的名誉都丢尽了?

你看看二战历史的分析文章就知道了. 你指的那些"普及"史书不过是皮毛, 一些表面的故事书.

1) 太平洋战场: 日本偷袭珍珠港后美国才出兵.
2) 欧洲战场: 英国首相丘吉尔想尽方法让美国出兵但美国就是压兵不动 <http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v09/v09p261_Irving.html>.

基本上, 美国非常不想被卷进欧洲和亚洲的冲突. 1935到1939年它通过了一系列的中立法案 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrality_Act>, 不理那些战场参与国的对错, 不理德国, 日本等国对邻国的侵略和暴行, 继续保持中立. 直到珍珠港后, 它对日本宣战, 而因为德日意的结盟, 德意对美国宣战, 这样才不由己的被卷进去.

其它相关的信息你自己查Google吧! 看表面, 美国是个慷慨的大国, 宣传的也如此. 仔细分析, 用点大脑, 美国的政策从来都是为利而行的.

[ 本帖最后由 ciprol 于 10-5-2008 19:05 编辑 ]

作者: ciprol 时间: 10-5-2008 19:18

原帖由 kkmao2005 于 10/5/2008 14:36 发表

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美国人在危急时刻拯救了文明世界，战后又为文明世界的复兴提供援助，知道马歇尔计划吗？帮助欧洲从一片废墟中重新站立起来。
我就不明白了，美国人所做的这一切怎么让有些人看着那么不顺眼？
难道让轴心国取得胜利才是令你兴高采烈的事吗？
你是国家社会主义工人党的党员吗？
西方有个作家写过一本假想历史的小说，假设美国没有参战，德国成为超级大国，德美两国在世界上平分秋色。
感谢上帝，那只是假设。

kkmao2005似乎很懂吗! 那个学校毕业的?... Marshall Plan是帮助了欧洲许多国家的重建. 但后头, 它允许美国的经济影响力扩散到欧洲, 美国现在的国力和在世界上的影响力也都在那个时候建立起来的. 它对欧洲经济的控制也是抵抗东欧苏联势力的一个手段, 完全符合美国的国家利益要求. 另外, 欧洲战后并不只靠Marshall Plan, 美国前任中央银行总裁Alan Greenspan在他的回忆录<The Age of Turbulence>里指出, Ludwig Erhard制定和实行的一系列措施对欧洲的经济复苏远比Marshall Plan有影响. Erhard所启动的德国Wirtschaftswunder <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirtschaftswunder>才是真正战后带动欧洲经济的力量. 而Marshall Plan里金融援助最多的国家(英国, 瑞典和希腊), 在1947-1955期间, 它们的回报和经济增长最低. 那些得到援助最少的国家(德国, 奥地利, 意大利)反而取得了最高的经济增长.

似乎kkmao2005的论调完全符合典型"美利坚崇拜者"的观点.

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作者: xingfanyan 时间: 11-5-2008 01:35

kkmao2005的论调完全符合典型"美利坚崇拜者"的观点

作者: 8戒 时间: 11-5-2008 01:47
支持LS的。

作者: kkmao2005 时间: 11-5-2008 04:06

太遗憾了，冷战以美国的胜利而告终了。
大概对于楼上两位来说，苏维埃社会主义联盟没能取得冷战的最终胜利，是一件非常痛苦的事。
美国与苏联进行全球多抗也是美国的罪状了，如果冷战是苏联一方取得胜利，这世界对你们来说也许更美妙。

我感谢上帝，是美国赢得了冷战，噩梦没有来临。

至于二战历史的所谓皮毛不皮毛，这要是引经据典起来那可就累了，目前我没这个时间。
其实也无所谓，有句话说得好——怎样信仰，怎样生活。
有人1+1=2，也有人8+8=13，随他去吧。

作者: chubbycat 时间: 11-5-2008 08:22

作者: ciprol 时间: 11-5-2008 09:03

原帖由 kkmao2005 于 11/5/2008 03:06 发表

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太遗憾了，冷战以美国的胜利而告终了。
大概对于楼上两位来说，苏维埃社会主义联盟没能取得冷战的最终胜利，是一件非常痛苦的事。
美国与苏联进行全球多抗也是美国的罪状了，如果冷战是苏联一方取得胜利，这世界对你们来说也许更美妙。

我感谢上帝，是美国赢得了冷战，噩梦没有来临。

至于二战历史的所谓皮毛不皮毛，这要是引经据典起来那可就累了，目前我没这个时间。
其实也无所谓，有句话说得好——怎样信仰，怎样生活。
有人1+1=2，也有人8+8=13，随他去吧。

换题目了? 前头自以为是的言论说不下去了? 不是前头还在批判他人的学历吗? 怎么忽然改题说40年后了?

如果这样, 是不是美国拖垮了苏联但没能拖垮中国这个GC国家也算是败事? 说二战后的几十年. 美国在韩战和越战里都受到严重挫折. 如果要把美国想的那么美, 那看看在伊拉克, 阿富汗的罪行还不能启发些对这个国家的怀疑? 这里是需要感谢上帝还是责备上帝? 是不是上帝看不下去了, 不愿意再继续帮那个"God fearing"的美国, 决定帮中国了?

[ 本帖最后由 ciprol 于 11-5-2008 11:20 编辑 ]

作者: jinxinjin 时间: 11-5-2008 10:37

作者: 8戒 时间: 11-5-2008 10:58
友情

一下

作者: chubbycat 时间: 11-5-2008 11:01
Good discussion!

作者: kkmao2005 时间: 11-5-2008 13:13

原帖由 ciprol 于 11-5-2008 08:03 发表

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换题目了? 前头自以为是的言论说不下去了? 不是前头还在批判他人的学历吗? 怎么忽然改题说40年后了?

如果这样, 是不是美国拖垮了苏联但没能拖垮中国这个GC国家也算是败事? 说二战后的几十年. 美国在韩战和越战里 ...

你很喜欢精神胜利法，我无所谓，我向来乐善好施。
我还没搞定房子呢

，没法奉陪，贤弟你就念佛吧。

作者: ciprol 时间: 11-5-2008 13:48

原帖由 kkmao2005 于 11/5/2008 12:13 发表

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你很喜欢精神胜利法，我无所谓，我向来乐善好施。
我还没搞定房子呢，没法奉陪，贤弟你就念佛吧。

哇哈哈! "精神胜利"在说你自己哇? 还是去拜你的Dubya吧! 不过, 再过七个月后下台还拜那位哇?

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