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作者: cais    时间: 2-5-2014 21:45
标题: 各位码农注意啦,.NET Java 前端 都有
这两天就业市场突然大暴发了,
http://careers.stackoverflow.com ... ptiver-asia-pacific
Optiver有木有。就是传说中developer也能上200k的那个啦。难怪可以稳圧Atlassian得第一名。不过要的是C#.NET做Desktop GUI。对我来说太偏门了。

还有RedBalloon,家里还有一张公司发的150块的RedBallon voucher,还没想好怎么用。
http://careers.stackoverflow.com ... contract-redballoon
六个月的Java/Scala contract,那个搞scala社区的同学快来看一下。
http://careers.stackoverflow.com ... eveloper-redballoon
这个是前端的,我的弱项

再加上Atlassian常年招聘,这个BRW Best Work Place top 10已经占了三个了。http://www.brw.com.au/lists/best-places-to-work/2013/
大家上吧。
作者: 周星星1832    时间: 2-5-2014 22:18
哥准备改牙医了
作者: cyber_y    时间: 2-5-2014 22:49
Optiver是个好地方
作者: DDD888    时间: 3-5-2014 18:13
那该20万澳大利亚元的.net的工作应该会抢破头啦
作者: kiluyar    时间: 3-5-2014 18:16
DDD888 发表于 3-5-2014 18:13
那该20万澳大利亚元的.net的工作应该会抢破头啦

这种工作,说实话,感觉干一年没两年的。根本长不了。
作者: DDD888    时间: 3-5-2014 19:07
kiluyar 发表于 3-5-2014 18:16
这种工作,说实话,感觉干一年没两年的。根本长不了。

能捞就捞啦
作者: trisun    时间: 3-5-2014 19:26
等我没工作的再去,都在悉尼。目前收入还算满意。
作者: kiluyar    时间: 4-5-2014 15:40
trisun 发表于 3-5-2014 19:26
等我没工作的再去,都在悉尼。目前收入还算满意。

“满意”的收入,估计至少十几万刀哇。
作者: khing    时间: 5-5-2014 09:43
C++流泪路过,羡慕你们做.NET Java的童鞋们啊。
作者: cais    时间: 5-5-2014 10:26
khing 发表于 5-5-2014 09:43
C++流泪路过,羡慕你们做.NET Java的童鞋们啊。

这位同学请不要再炫耀了。好像这类钱多的,做finance, trading的大多数都是用C++的吧。
应该泪奔的是众多java/.net的普通码农吧。。
请业内人士出来作证。
作者: tristone    时间: 5-5-2014 10:38
cais 发表于 5-5-2014 10:26
这位同学请不要再炫耀了。好像这类钱多的,做finance, trading的大多数都是用C++的吧。
应该泪奔的是众多 ...

Trading后端用C++的有,多是对冲基金和大投行。中小投行用Java的多。前端用C#的比较多。

C++除非能进几个顶尖的trading firm,不然finance基本没啥好的工作。
作者: trisun    时间: 5-5-2014 10:55
C++, Java, C# 本来就是相通的,哪种好找工作,就做哪个,根本就没必要分那么清。
作者: DDD888    时间: 5-5-2014 11:07
trisun 发表于 5-5-2014 10:55
C++, Java, C# 本来就是相通的,哪种好找工作,就做哪个,根本就没必要分那么清。

但中介会很较真的
作者: kiluyar    时间: 5-5-2014 11:13
tristone 发表于 5-5-2014 10:38
Trading后端用C++的有,多是对冲基金和大投行。中小投行用Java的多。前端用C#的比较多。

C++除非能进几 ...

确实真理。
作者: lyle_w    时间: 5-5-2014 11:43
好贴顶起

作者: karl.lee.2004    时间: 5-5-2014 11:53
本帖最后由 karl.lee.2004 于 5-5-2014 11:57 编辑
trisun 发表于 5-5-2014 10:55
C++, Java, C# 本来就是相通的,哪种好找工作,就做哪个,根本就没必要分那么清。


就语言本身,这三种语言相差不是那么大,如果你只是用来写写简单程序,确实可以说没必要分的那么清。

但一具体到项目上,不同语言使用的开发环境(包括但不仅限于Framework,lib,各种tools)相差就远了,而雇主要的是马上可以干活的,没预留时间再给你学习这些”原理上都是相通”的东西。

实际使用还有个学习曲线和熟练程度的考虑啊...
作者: trisun    时间: 5-5-2014 12:08
karl.lee.2004 发表于 5-5-2014 09:53
就语言本身,这三种语言相差不是那么大,如果你只是用来写写简单程序,确实可以说没必要分的那么清。
...

你平常工作或业余时,都用用这几种语言,这样找工作是选择余地就大很多,没有必要局限于某个平台。 这些语言本身就很相似。会一种,其它都很相通。
作者: DDD888    时间: 5-5-2014 12:19
本帖最后由 DDD888 于 6-5-2014 07:56 编辑
trisun 发表于 5-5-2014 12:08
你平常工作或业余时,都用用这几种语言,这样找工作是选择余地就大很多,没有必要局限于某个平台。 这些语 ...


是的啦,我现在就同时写C/C++, java, C#,vb.net,Delphi,javascript
作者: karl.lee.2004    时间: 5-5-2014 12:20
trisun 发表于 5-5-2014 12:08
你平常工作或业余时,都用用这几种语言,这样找工作是选择余地就大很多,没有必要局限于某个平台。 这些语 ...

这倒是,如果平常工作中就是要经常交替使用的,就好像吃饭时有时用筷子,有时用刀叉,有时干脆直接用手,都熟练到这个份上了,确实可以怎么顺手怎么来了。

最近这5年,我自己在工作环境中一直都是用java,业余玩一下python,c++/c#都没碰了。

确实如你所言,找工作的余地比较少。现在一说找web developer/senior java developer,都说要连带javascript的,甚至还有要scala的。

我怕自己贪多嚼不烂,还是老老实实java+javascript+python好了。
作者: 冰峰    时间: 9-5-2014 10:10
有android方面的吗?
作者: trisun    时间: 9-5-2014 10:54
冰峰 发表于 9-5-2014 08:10
有android方面的吗?

这里有一个中介发的



I am currently recruiting for a permanent full time Senior Android Application Developer to join an international organisation which works with Australia’s largest brands. This role is based in Sydney CBD and is focused around my client’s growing pipeline of development work. The organisation itself has been in operation for over 20 years and this role is crucial to the future growth of the organisation.

The role will be paying $110k for permanent but there is the potential for flexibility.

After looking at your profile I completely understand that these roles may not what you are looking for at the moment, but if you know of anyone who may be interested (or indeed if you do happen to be interested personally) I would be very keen to hear from you and I am fully prepared to discuss all aspects of the role over the phone.

Owen Hughes, Recruitment Consultant at Ashdown Consulting
owen.hughes@ashdownconsulting.com.au
02 8296 9888


作者: 冰峰    时间: 9-5-2014 11:48
trisun 发表于 9-5-2014 10:54
这里有一个中介发的

看到曙光了,谢谢~
作者: cais    时间: 9-5-2014 22:37
trisun 发表于 9-5-2014 10:54
这里有一个中介发的

这个中介是走投无路了吗?知道不相关了,还发给你?
作者: cais    时间: 9-5-2014 22:38
冰峰 发表于 9-5-2014 11:48
看到曙光了,谢谢~

android ios都有的。不用着急。先把英语练好才是最重要的。
作者: 冰峰    时间: 9-5-2014 23:10
cais 发表于 9-5-2014 22:38
android ios都有的。不用着急。先把英语练好才是最重要的。

好的,天天练呢,尤其是口语和听力!Many thanks!
作者: trisun    时间: 9-5-2014 23:12
本帖最后由 trisun 于 9-5-2014 21:16 编辑
cais 发表于 9-5-2014 20:37
这个中介是走投无路了吗?知道不相关了,还发给你?

目前不相关而已,我做过比较长的Android开发

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作者: cais    时间: 10-5-2014 21:19
trisun 发表于 9-5-2014 23:12
目前不相关而已,我做过比较长的Android开发

欢迎访问博客  www.imobilebbs.com

这个倒是。不是linkedin的search不够全面,没考虑时效性,就是这些个中介太不会search了。
我也总是收到有关django的工作。我摸django的时候,人家还没到1.0版呢。现在到什么版本我都不知道了。
作者: trisun    时间: 10-5-2014 23:46
cais 发表于 10-5-2014 19:19
这个倒是。不是linkedin的search不够全面,没考虑时效性,就是这些个中介太不会search了。
我也总是收 ...

我保持我需要的技术更新,随时可以换认为更好的工作。,我换的几份工作,前后相关性都不大。
作者: kiluyar    时间: 11-5-2014 23:43
trisun 发表于 10-5-2014 23:46
我保持我需要的技术更新,随时可以换认为更好的工作。,我换的几份工作,前后相关性都不大。

http://www.vaikan.com/what-happens-to-older-developers/

我看了以后,很害怕
作者: DDD888    时间: 12-5-2014 07:31
kiluyar 发表于 11-5-2014 23:43
http://www.vaikan.com/what-happens-to-older-developers/

我看了以后,很害怕


这人不会省钱,我在新西兰工作十年,37岁时已经付清了新西兰的房屋贷款(买房子的时候房子价格NZ$233,000),现在房子中介和我说可以卖NZ$700,000
作者: trisun    时间: 12-5-2014 09:16
kiluyar 发表于 11-5-2014 21:43
http://www.vaikan.com/what-happens-to-older-developers/

我看了以后,很害怕

如果这也感害怕,那么你干哪‘一行都一样
作者: kiluyar    时间: 12-5-2014 11:54
trisun 发表于 12-5-2014 09:16
如果这也感害怕,那么你干哪‘一行都一样

我是技术菜鸟,唉。。。。。。。
作者: trisun    时间: 12-5-2014 12:14
本帖最后由 trisun 于 12-5-2014 10:30 编辑
kiluyar 发表于 12-5-2014 09:54
我是技术菜鸟,唉。。。。。。。


这个和技术上是否大牛关系不大,和生活态度有关。


澳大利亞c++ builder技術牛人的悲慘遭遇
[url=http://www.freeoz.org/ibbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=809380[/url]

后来据说此人目前自称“耶稣再生”
作者: 囡囡的爸爸    时间: 12-5-2014 13:24
mark 一下
作者: cais    时间: 12-5-2014 21:31
kiluyar 发表于 11-5-2014 23:43
http://www.vaikan.com/what-happens-to-older-developers/

我看了以后,很害怕

原版里面有个连到hn的文章,还不错。
第一个回复看起来差不多包括了全部可能,不算太乐观。
总结了一下:
1. management
2. "thought leader" positions, act as architects or whatnot
3. branch out and start your own gig
4. just get out of development entirely

但是也有牛人能赚到300k~。
有个家伙给了些意见:https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7377484
My gross comp is ~$350k, 60% cash.
The 3 main learnings that I've leveraged to get that high are:
0) be the top performer on your team, no excuses
1) ask very explicitly for the things you want [0]
2) negotiate from a position of power (have a BATNA [1])
---
[0] "I'd like a raise" != "I'd like my salary to be $X"
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_alternative_to_a_negotiate...


然后有人说:
According to globalrichlist.com, if you earn $300,000/yr, you earn more than 99.97% of people in the world. If you were to walk past a random sampling of 10,000 people on the street - only three of them would earn more than you.



还有一个家伙算了一下账,挺吓人的。可惜我看不太懂。@资料盒
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7376450
There are two problems with hitting a plateau @ 300K: Housing costs and College Tuition.
At the traditional 3x debt to gross income metric, your home mortgage would be capped around ~$900k, vs the $1.3-1.5MM range of current trading prices. Which is not terrible if you lock something in. However, once you are at 4x paying for schools becomes a far greater challenge. You could be looking at anywhere for $175-250 per kid. So, capitalize this and you are at $350-500K. That is, your combined "future obligations" would be something in the range of $1.7 to $2.0MM (exclusive of retirement). Which is something closer to 6.5x gross income. Which is pretty highly leveraged. You're after tax cash flow without real-estate tax shields could easily be ~200k, so you are looking at something like 10x cash-flow leverage. That is about as high as most PE guys will take a decent c-corp.
Just start shielding your income and assets as soon as possible. Strategize to minimize exposure to asset inflation (housing, education). The IRS (tax man) and the "doo gooders" in academia (ironically, the new "alternative minimum tax" man) have really boxed in the middle class (read: the not-rich enough) from the perspective of lifetime earnings. Most of your "savings" will be at risk to get swept from you, thanks to "financial aid" effect driving college tuitions.
These numbers get bounced around every now and then but they are worth considering. Inflation in "raw materials costs" for knowledge workers (kids) need to get passed on to customers (ie, employers) if you want to stay in the same place (red queen effect and all that).
This is relevant when you are evaluating career moves down the road.

作者: cais    时间: 12-5-2014 21:35
还是上面那个hacker news的文章,里面:
http://www.fastcolabs.com/300725 ... nsentimental-advice
该牛人说:
”It's not always easy," he says. "Sometimes I have to leave a company when I get promoted to the stage when I can't code anymore.”

作者: nkcoder    时间: 25-1-2016 20:31
不知道现在的市场如何,Java的路过




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