iamiok 发表于 4-3-2015 00:16:16

英语学习高效方法的探讨

最近1年本人研究了很多语言学家的观点,最喜欢的是克拉申,乔姆斯基,斯蒂夫卡夫曼。总结了学习的方法供大家讨论
我的学习已进行了300个小时,之前是大学4级哑巴英语水平,这10个月个训练让我听力水平提高很多了,阅读能力也大增。但由于自己创造的语言环境还是效率不高,所以效率还是低了点。

我最想和大家讨论的是从开始到英语水平突破阶段最大的突破是怎么产生的?
从较低的基础到突破大约需要多少小时的训练?
学习中最重要的注意事项是什么?
最高的兴趣是什么产生和持续的?

通常我的语言学习方法是:大量的听(泛听+精听),大量的阅读(泛读+精度),每天3个小时以上输入,遵循循序渐进和兴趣原则。输入量足够大就获得了足够的语言敏感度则学习效率大幅提高,然后再自言自语,复述听到的材料和阅读过的材料,最后才是训练写作,自己修改每天写。习得耐心与等候,不断进步,破除挫折感,不断创造收获感使得学习可以不断持续。在生活中用出来学的内容,搞清楚英语思维和汉语的各种差异和文化差异,使用英文思维,讲地道的英语。

DDD888 发表于 4-3-2015 07:16:31

我是每月付钱给unblockus和netflix来看英文电影,电视剧,我将70 show, prison break电视剧全集重复看了三四遍啦:lol

yearshappy 发表于 4-3-2015 11:58:11

Totally agree with your attitude towards learning English as such 习得耐心与等候,不断进步 :zan
It might take us, adult Chinese, a decade to gain English language proficiency. That's when persistence comes to this to play a vital and essential role in the accomplishment.
Regarding your practice in gaining this as 通常我的语言学习方法是:大量的听(泛听+精听),大量的阅读(泛读+精度),每天..... , I would do the same way as you do. What i could say is simply to keep it going as far as you can.

To answer your questions,
1,我最想和大家讨论的是从开始到英语水平突破阶段最大的突破是怎么产生的?
2,从较低的基础到突破大约需要多少小时的训练?
3, 学习中最重要的注意事项是什么?
4, 最高的兴趣是什么产生和持续的?
1. I don't really get '突破', in what ways of it?
2. This 突破 means language learners become feeling confident in daily conversation with native English speakers. I would say myself it's over a period of 2 and 3 years. This answer, of course, would not be the same to everybody else'. It's all up to individuals and the starting points as well as your input could be all taken into account.
3. For beginners, my advise is to stick to one particular text book. Head down and keep working on it so as not to get lost in so called 'shortcuts' and 'breakthrough' etc. Intermediates could aim a bit higher and don't get bogged down in trivia.
4. It's all about attitude, personality and life goal, I suppose. Motivation varies.


yearshappy 发表于 4-3-2015 12:06:42

Answering your topic question in short, intensity of study trumps length of study.
Get inspired and enjoy the life-long commitment. :victory: This one is for me. :)

iamiok 发表于 4-3-2015 19:01:18

感谢斑竹的perfect and professional的回复。
我还有2点疑惑:
1、很多成功的学习者的效率是很高,我似乎根本不可能做的到。令我新西兰的龙飞虎(Chris Lonsdale)老师说6个月习得新的语言即可,当然每天的学习时间是高效率的5个小时,需要learner的心理状态和情绪调整能力超强,潜意识状态优越,并且有一个好的英语家长。我觉得很惊叹,似乎他自己做到了6个月精通了汉语,还写了中文著作,在TED有演讲,有采访视频看到他确实汉语流利。加拿大的斯蒂夫,卡夫曼(10门流利语言的polyglot)却说他需要3年每天1小时的学习才可以达到流利和可以使用的水平。我觉得他们的效率都是算高。
2、我有个同事在美国生活过多年(大于10年),他告诉我最高效的记忆是发生在“在真实语言环境下的现场体验”,这种可理解输入如果是建立在学习者的强语言敏感度的基础上的话,几乎学习者听一次即可记住,并且准确将声音与头脑中的准确概念挂钩,下次听到调用的时候迅速而自然,自己也模仿几次的时候就变成了active vocabullery。但这样的环境我们在国内很难自己创造出来,或者说可以创建但要效率低很多。我也想自己创造这样的环境在国内,但是发现是虽然有环境,但没有正确的语言,和对语言的准确的理解。

yearshappy 发表于 7-3-2015 10:18:31

本帖最后由 yearshappy 于 7-3-2015 11:56 编辑

iamiok 发表于 4-3-2015 20:01
感谢斑竹的perfect and professional的回复。
我还有2点疑惑:
1、很多成功的学习者的效率是很高,我似乎 ...

:) I try my best to be supportive, though the topic has never been my interest before.
I didn't know anything about Mr Lonsdale until today. Fortunately you gave the man's name in English. So I looked up one of his videos on youtube also did a bit research on him. Below is what I got roughly.

1. The man is now a business man running his own language school.
The purpose of his speech is simple and clear and is for his business. What he is saying is neither a scientific proof nor a study report. Critical and analytical thinking is supposed to come into this situation.

2. 'Mandarin proficiency within six months' is biased. He stayed in a Chinese uni for four years and then got a job and worked in Hong Kong straight away, not to mention how many years he has had interest in Chinese language before heading off to China university. As Chinese, we know so well that Mandarin has two separate systems in speaking and writing. This makes it much more difficult to learn than English. With six months hard working, a westerner might be able to have a casual conversation with local Chinese. He/She would never near be able to compete with a high school Chinese student. This is from my perspective anyway.
I do think it's too complicated to have an easy answer and would rather leave it to those experts and professionals. As a learner myself, I would act - do the actual learning practices.

幸福妈妈 发表于 7-3-2015 10:49:43

感谢LZ和版主的分享。

提出一个问题:

全英文环境下的学习和非英文环境下的学习差距极大

所以,6个月速成对非英文环境下的学习有极大的难度!

从零到精通,依然没有太多捷径,因人而异,

但只要坚持,都能学好,哪怕已经七老八十!

极度喜欢和热爱语言,且语感极好的人,6个月OK! (全英环境下)

yearshappy 发表于 7-3-2015 10:50:53

本帖最后由 yearshappy 于 7-3-2015 11:58 编辑

very true of your No 2.
All I can say is --
The more you listen, speak and read, the better your English will be. This is an easy answer to all. :lol

yearshappy 发表于 10-3-2015 15:38:54

幸福妈妈 发表于 7-3-2015 11:49
感谢LZ和版主的分享。

提出一个问题:


again a big and hot topic!

Peter 发表于 25-3-2015 16:17:32

iamiok 发表于 4-3-2015 20:01
感谢斑竹的perfect and professional的回复。
我还有2点疑惑:
1、很多成功的学习者的效率是很高,我似乎 ...

在6个月时间汉语流利,不可能! 我白人,自学中文6个月了,包括阅读,手写和口语。虽然我每天两个小时练习,可是6岁小孩子有更能力。

This person (and those like him) prey on students who are willing to part cash in hope of finding a short cut.

Mr.Q 发表于 25-3-2015 16:22:48

个人窃以为没什么特别高效好办法。一万小时输入算么?:xmas

Daibaw 发表于 27-3-2015 21:35:24

无他,最重要的语言环境浸泡。关键是有一定基础的前提下强交互的浸泡,输出和输入同等重要。整天光听鬼佬聊天不插话是没用地。这也是为什么看美剧学英语效率不高的原因。
很难说怎么样算突破,更多还是靠时间磨。多数人在英语国家生活2-3年可以感觉到明显的自信提升。真正自觉无障碍基本是5年以后的事情。
所谓速成就算成了也是空中楼阁,典型症状就是特定话题一开始几句说得很溜,聊了几句就开始颠三倒四了
至于学习动力,什么都比不上柴米油盐逼的

iamiok 发表于 27-3-2015 22:31:14

@Daibaw:很同意你的说法关于要用出来,光被动Input映象不够深刻,能自己用出来互动出来,就把被动字汇变成了Active vocabullary。
最近看李光耀成年学中文的书<学语致用>的介绍,他也是这样的感受。
学习动力我觉得如果是为了生存固然可以,但窃以为不够,甚至不算好。

QWERTYASDFG 发表于 28-3-2015 07:58:18

每个人的条件都不一样。一个班级里的学生成绩也有好有不好。6个月的速成方法也许合适某个人,但肯定不合适大多数人。找到合适自己的学习方法最重要。要明白成人学习语言的能力很难和少年儿童比,才不会因此把期望值定的太高而迅速的失去学习热情。
我自己觉得,压力和反复练习是学习的动力。比如准备一次英文演讲,拍摄一段英文录像上传给别人看,或者回答英文问题。做只说英文家教等等会有很不错的效果。如果语言只是作为一个交流工具,就不要怕说错,写错。目的只有一个,让交流的对方明白你的意思就行。很多时候这种担心也是学习的阻力。前面PETER写的中文就是个例子。每个中文人都明白他的意思。:good

小阿猪88 发表于 9-4-2015 12:12:44

Daibaw 发表于 27-3-2015 21:35
无他,最重要的语言环境浸泡。关键是有一定基础的前提下强交互的浸泡,输出和输入同等重要。整天光听鬼佬聊 ...

:good

Cranberry 发表于 12-4-2015 21:06:43

:good

pwys888 发表于 11-5-2015 03:44:02

谢谢分享

红米仔 发表于 30-5-2015 09:47:28

Daibaw 发表于 27-3-2015 21:35
无他,最重要的语言环境浸泡。关键是有一定基础的前提下强交互的浸泡,输出和输入同等重要。整天光听鬼佬聊 ...

同意阿,我觉得自己的句子组织跟老外的很不一样。别人说的时候,我大概知道他们说什么,但复述不出来

pwys888 发表于 6-6-2015 21:05:06

我现在觉得要从起炉灶学习英语 就是彻底跳出中文窠臼 认真学习本土英语的 说法写法。那种认为 词汇量够大。拿中文翻成英文的做法是错误的 只能走入歧途 。不信 你拿一段自己写的英文给鬼佬看 他们一定看不懂其中的某一部分

snails 发表于 10-9-2015 21:50:48

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二十年没碰英语的人将在sydney为生存而生活。

巴姬 发表于 17-9-2015 16:08:05

:good:good
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