澳大利亚职业评估永无过期之说？

rainystreet

我自己的ACS职业评估刚过有效期，还在为这个发愁，去问过ACS，过期的评估是否影响EOI select，谁知ACS把皮球踢到移民局，叫我去问移民局。可移民局的email一直找不到，无奈中查了一下网站，发现有一篇帖子，讲了职业评估的过期问题，值得思考。里面提及到MIGRATION REGULATION 1994，澳洲移民政策都是以此为政策基础，就是移民法律。关于职业认定，确实都只有这样描述，包括最近的2014版，该法律可以在http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2014C00328 查看或下载。

关于职业认定部分，法规上原文如下：
The applicant must nominate a skilled occupation:
(a) that is specified by the Minister in an instrument in writing for this
item as a skilled occupation at the time of invitation to apply for
the visa; and

(b) that is specified in the invitation as the skilled occupation which
the applicant may nominate; and

(c) for which the applicant declares in the application that the
applicant’s skills have been assessed as suitable by the relevant
assessing authority and that the assessment is not for a Subclass
485 (Temporary Graduate) visa

所以是关于suitable的解释最关键。《《这里可以理解为，申请人必须被授权评估机构评估为suitable，但是没有定义时间，表述失败，也就是说，即便以后失效了，也是曾经suitable，只要曾经suitable，以后职业评估过期，不过就是职业评估本身过期而已，这丝毫不影响申请人曾经被评估为suitable.》》

这里我自己感觉，ACS的信件中不直接回答，说明过期的评估未必会影响EOI select，要是铁定受影响，它大可以直接回答，因为评估过期这种情况在EOI里应该不少见。
Thank you for your email.
I would advise you to consult the Department of Immigration as to whether it will still be accepted. If they require a new assessment then you may lodge a new application with us.
Let us know if you have any further questions.

从常理上讲，若你工作了7，8年做这个职业，认定后过期了，难道一定要重新认定才能确定职业资格符合么，这显然是不合理的。当然，若你只做过2，3年，认定后再改行，也是有可能的，这里可能就靠签证官的判断了。
从EOI网站现在的反应上讲，只要你填了EOI 职业认定结果，后面等待时间会累积到你的职业年限里，而且职业认定有效性也未做处理，若是这里有限制，大可以直接设置一个2年的过期，直接筛查出一批过期的EOI申请，提高签证邀请的效率。

最后我的看法总结就是，职业认定结果在过期后，应该还是有效力的，具体情况可能还是要签证官的判断，最好的就是认定职业年限比较长，这样容易让签证官相信你后面做的工作依然与此职业有关。对于像ACS这样以前不扣年，现在乱扣的情况，只能说ACS自己没守好评估标准，乱来了，这种情况就应该据理力争，向ACS申诉。

不过最终解释权还是在移民局，以上都是自己的分析，看网贴的说法，似乎这里是有过一个案子，判决是移民局败诉的。

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网贴原文如下：
根据MR94 S2的解读，是的，职业评估是不可以过期的，因为审理到的时候，才是最后加分的时候，在120分的加分里重点提到了SA的问题，所以很早以前我就一直对大家说，职业评估必须申请885的时候就有，并且885审理开始的时候也不能过期

谁知，移民局又犯了个错误，不是我为移民局鸣冤，而是说真的，天下有谁能写一本那么厚的书，而不出一点错呢？这本书的名字，就叫MIGRATION REGULATION 1994.
代理所周知，关于递签有效性的描述在S1里，885明确写到
(ba)      If the applicant:

(i)      is not seeking to satisfy the criteria for the grant of a Subclass
887
(Skilled — Regional) visa; and

(ii)      has not nominated a
skilled occupation
specified by the Minister in an instrument in writing for paragraph
(bb);

the applicant’s skills must have been assessed by the
relevant assessing authority
as suitable for the applicant’s nominated
skilled occupation.

(bb)      If the applicant:

(i)      is not seeking to satisfy the criteria for the grant of a Subclass
887
(Skilled — Regional) visa; and

(ii)      has nominated a
skilled occupation
specified by the Minister in an
instrument in writing
for this paragraph;

the applicant’s skills must have been assessed by the
relevant assessing authority, on or after 1 January 2010, as suitable for the applicant’s nominated
skilled occupation.


这也是我一直告诉大家的，递签885就需要职业评估结果的原因，大家注意，根据表述，申请人必须被授权评估机构评估为suitable，但是没有定义时间，表述失败，也就是说，即便以后失效了，也是曾经suitable，只要曾经suitable，以后职业评估过期，不过就是职业评估本身过期而已，这丝毫不影响申请人曾经被评估为suitable.
跟着在S2里885.222
(1)
The skills of the applicant have been assessed by the
relevant assessing authority
as suitable for the applicant’s nominated
skilled occupation.



不想多做解释，同理

真的很同情移民局，订立个法律要全天下的人来找他的毛病，而且，是那么的容易找到。


于是，移民局败诉于2010年11月2日
至此，澳大利亚职业评估永无过期之说，在任何时候只要持有过职业评估，终身不会过期。
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ryoheiaya

我个人认为，对于已经是约定俗成的政策，就不要去挑战它的合理性了。
比如职业评估过期后的可行性，我想说，虽然你看了某些政策法律，但是你并没有看全部的移民法把，而且就算你看的这些东西，基本无非就是从网上找到的，那么就有时效性的问题。就好比我在网上找120分时代的社区语言加分，那时候只要是上过大学都可以，难道我找出来在这里说，大家不要去靠natii，可以直接拿分吗？
其实你想个道理，如果真的职业评估过期不需要做任何事，那么聪明的中国人早就去做了，为什么还都去renew职业评估呢？

我身边也有几个同学曾经做过类似的事情，当遇到某些不好的政策的时候，就在网上四处搜索，然后发现某些符合自己利益的政策，然后就说其实可以这样做。即使这些不好的不符合自己利益的政策都是大家烂熟于胸的移民政策。但是他们的结果往往是，最终发现那些不利的政策还是正确的，他们在网上找到的东西要么不全面，要么就是过时的政策。
所以，还是跟着大部队走吧，不要以为那些天天办移民留学申请的中介都是傻子，就你一个是聪明人。不然，最终吃亏的只会是你这个聪明人

linallen

即便是ACS认证过的工作经验，到了DIBP那里也只是作为参考而已。比如ACS认证了5年，到了DIBP那里不认，或者ACS只认了3年，DIBP认5年，这完全都有可能。
就是说，职业评估虽然是必须的，但是如何给你加工作分数，DIBP说了算，认证只是参考。

所以为了不浪费那几千大元的申请费，还是凡事小心为妙，要冒险也要做好各种准备。

rainystreet

已经花了几万了，不在意那几K，只是现在正在关口上。

迷途未远

从7月1日开始，职业评估有效期最长3年，如果职业评估机构给的时间少于3年，以职业评估机构为准。
这个移民法的条款已经出台了，7月1日正式生效，影响的签证类型包括186，187，189，190，485，489。移民法的原文链接为：http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details ... /Text#_Toc388013173

Schedule 3—Amendments relating to skills assessment validity
  
Migration Regulations 1994
1  After paragraph 186.234(2)(aa) of Schedule 2
Insert:
                   (ab)  if the assessment specifies a period during which the assessment is valid, and the period does not end more than 3 years after the date of the assessment—the period has not ended;
                    (ac)  if paragraph (ab) does not apply—not more than 3 years have passed since the date of the assessment;
2  Paragraph 187.234(b) of Schedule 2
Repeal the paragraph, substitute:
                     (b)  all of the following requirements were met:
                              (i)  the applicant’s occupation is specified by the Minister in an instrument in writing for this subparagraph;
                             (ii)  the applicant did not obtain the necessary qualification in Australia;
                            (iii)  the applicant’s skills had been assessed as suitable for the occupation by an assessing authority specified by the Minister in the instrument for subparagraph (i) as the assessing authority for the occupation;
                            (iv)  the assessment was not for a Subclass 485 (Temporary Graduate) visa;
                             (v)  if the assessment specified a period during which the assessment was valid, and the period did not end more than 3 years after the date of the assessment—the period had not ended;
                            (vi)  if subparagraph (v) did not apply—not more than 3 years had passed since the date of the assessment; or
3  At the end of subclause 189.212(1) of Schedule 2
Add:
             ; and (c)  if the assessment specified a period during which the assessment was valid, and the period did not end more than 3 years after the date of the assessment—the period had not ended; and
                     (d)  if paragraph (c) did not apply—not more than 3 years had passed since the date of the assessment.
4  At the end of subclause 190.212(1) of Schedule 2
Add:
             ; and (c)  if the assessment specified a period during which the assessment was valid, and the period did not end more than 3 years after the date of the assessment—the period had not ended; and
                     (d)  if paragraph (c) did not apply—not more than 3 years had passed since the date of the assessment.
5  Subclause 485.224(1) of Schedule 2
Repeal the subclause, substitute:
             (1)  At the time of application:
                     (a)  the skills of the applicant for the applicant’s nominated skilled occupation had been assessed by a relevant assessing authority as suitable for that occupation; and
                     (b)  if the assessment specified a period during which the assessment was valid, and the period did not end more than 3 years after the date of the assessment—the period had not ended; and
                     (c)  if paragraph (b) did not apply—not more than 3 years had passed since the date of the assessment.
6  At the end of subclause 489.222(1) of Schedule 2
Add:
             ; and (c)  if the assessment specified a period during which the assessment was valid, and the period did not end more than 3 years after the date of the assessment—the period had not ended; and
                     (d)  if paragraph (c) did not apply—not more than 3 years had passed since the date of the assessment.