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标题: 13年12月 3周 土澳体验, 圣诞前 又撤回中国了 [打印本页]

作者: 陈赖    时间: 4-6-2013 12:51
标题: 13年12月 3周 土澳体验, 圣诞前 又撤回中国了
本帖最后由 陈赖 于 26-12-2013 15:52 编辑



牢骚贴, 就是觉得 害怕
虽然知道 总要面对的,
虽然知道 还是有很多现在的未来的朋友在等着我的
虽然知道 经历就是财富

但总还有这样那样的顾虑
赐予我力量吧, 或者赐予我一个女儿也行啊

同学们,我终于要来啦...

陈赖
2013.6.4 上午9点50 上海

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如题...怀着二宝,全家踏上了土澳之旅
但其实在11月中 就已经犹豫了,最后还是改了机票,呆了3周 回到天朝了...

2013.12 圣诞
作者: 熊猫阿三    时间: 4-6-2013 13:01
理解,登录综合症嘛

药方,
多练口语,带够粮草。
作者: 奶油香芋    时间: 4-6-2013 13:08
同犹豫+害怕中。。。。。。。。
作者: v2rain    时间: 4-6-2013 13:24
哈哈 赖姐加油~
作者: joshzhuang    时间: 4-6-2013 15:15
赖姐莫怕,来了就安了
作者: Serin    时间: 4-6-2013 15:35
欢迎陈赖!
作者: JackyandF    时间: 4-6-2013 16:44
两个月后启程,口语还没有练,无知者无畏
作者: JackyandF    时间: 4-6-2013 16:45
赖姐登陆后努力生女儿,加油!
作者: 陈赖    时间: 4-6-2013 16:53
JackyandF 发表于 4-6-2013 15:45
赖姐登陆后努力生女儿,加油!

哎,本来想在这里怀上的,半年了未果,头大...
作者: elin-lu    时间: 4-6-2013 16:56
哈哈,好孕分享!我登陆后一个月怀孕了。。。
作者: 陈赖    时间: 4-6-2013 18:34
elin-lu 发表于 4-6-2013 15:56
哈哈,好孕分享!我登陆后一个月怀孕了。。。

恭喜恭喜~~
是有人说这里空气不好 水不好 大家心情不好 会有影响, 哈哈

我也看缘份吧~
作者: peggy8086    时间: 4-6-2013 18:51
感觉很久都没看到赖姐了。加油。
作者: dreamcat    时间: 4-6-2013 19:22
加油啊,赖姐,一直在微博看到你的更新
作者: peggy8086    时间: 4-6-2013 19:58
dreamcat 发表于 4-6-2013 18:22
加油啊,赖姐,一直在微博看到你的更新

微博是? 我也要加
作者: sucewang    时间: 4-6-2013 20:21
陈赖要登陆啦!
欢迎!欢迎!
不用焦虑的,这里有很多的朋友和你们一样的。
曾经我也忧虑过,一位澳洲的朋友对我说
“Please dont worry too much as life in Australia will be fun for you now and you have many friends here. ”
作者: 妮南    时间: 4-6-2013 20:28
Don't worry , You would be alright.
老外会这么说。
作者: loverofheero    时间: 4-6-2013 20:42
我下个月也出发了呢,这里很多战友啊赖姐
作者: revstar    时间: 4-6-2013 23:16
本帖最后由 revstar 于 4-6-2013 22:59 编辑
熊猫阿三 发表于 4-6-2013 12:01
理解,登录综合症嘛

药方,


阿德是一个特殊的地方

新移民的融入台阶比悉尼墨尔本要难,讲究network,悉尼墨尔本来的local据说找工也有些困难,并非完全英语问题;何况工作机会根本不是一个数量级的

就算找到了专业工,也有很多不开心的

另外LZ可以加群135706964, 273039895
作者: Carol_Wu    时间: 5-6-2013 20:04
赖妈到了可以短我,相互交换个手机号码,我们阿德多联系。。天天看你微溥在国内吃香喝辣玩得爽歪歪,来阿村就当是闭关修身吧
作者: Carol_Wu    时间: 5-6-2013 20:05
话说赖版是几月登?
作者: Carol_Wu    时间: 5-6-2013 20:05
话说赖版是几月登?
作者: 牧马人    时间: 5-6-2013 20:25
来了就不纠结了,这玩意儿跟新媳妇近洞房似的,早晚都得过这关。过之前忐忑,过了之后没准有的你乐的
作者: 西澳海豚    时间: 6-6-2013 00:32
老同学了!

你还没登陆阿?
作者: youyouxianren    时间: 6-6-2013 01:55
陈赖 发表于 4-6-2013 15:53
哎,本来想在这里怀上的,半年了未果,头大...

Made in China, born in OZ?


作者: davad    时间: 6-6-2013 06:59
祝福一下签证版的老同学赖姐万事顺利


作者: elin-lu    时间: 6-6-2013 13:35
还是在国内怀上的好!在这里怀孕,很痛苦!至少我是这样的,因为我想念国内的食物。。。。

谁让我是上海胃呢!
作者: liyuefu    时间: 6-6-2013 14:24
祝一切好运!
作者: 蒙面超人    时间: 6-6-2013 15:22
眼一闭心一横就过来了
作者: panadol    时间: 12-6-2013 14:51
妮南 发表于 4-6-2013 19:28
Don't worry , You would be alright.
老外会这么说。

No worries....呵呵
作者: ascend2012    时间: 12-6-2013 16:08
祝一切顺利!
作者: 缘圆    时间: 12-6-2013 17:08
呵呵,我正好与你相反,今年年底要回上海了,让我欢喜让我忧。
作者: loveinside    时间: 15-6-2013 19:53
祝赖版一切顺利 至少不用高汇率换澳币了 我们来了半年也还在适应中
作者: cloudynewlife    时间: 16-6-2013 18:12
赖姐快快来啊,来了肯定不后悔哈哈  偶刚刚长登一周~~
作者: act_nan    时间: 17-6-2013 23:28
不等到887再生?
作者: 阿酷腾    时间: 24-6-2013 23:25
act_nan 发表于 17-6-2013 22:28
不等到887再生?

阿德不是天堂,也有这样那样的不如意。不过至少还有蓝天白云,看着至少心情颇为舒畅。欢迎赖版!
作者: revstar    时间: 25-6-2013 12:18
阿酷腾 发表于 24-6-2013 22:25
阿德不是天堂,也有这样那样的不如意。不过至少还有蓝天白云,看着至少心情颇为舒畅。欢迎赖版!

离天堂差远了,就一个小镇,混段时间闪人是上道
作者: fairyj19    时间: 25-6-2013 14:41
7.30号出发。。。
不晓得你现在过各顺利乏。。哈哈。。希望一切都好
作者: xdj159    时间: 26-6-2013 01:23
赖版 加油 我十月登陆
作者: allesgut    时间: 28-6-2013 15:52
版大,你这还有啥好怕的。
话说我没次看你的名字都是 “陈懒”,
作者: 艾瑞克    时间: 28-6-2013 16:10
elin-lu 发表于 6-6-2013 11:35
还是在国内怀上的好!在这里怀孕,很痛苦!至少我是这样的,因为我想念国内的食物。。。。

谁让我是上 ...


我老婆也上海胃,最近怀着二宝,小黄鱼,鳗鲞我都给她做过了,你想吃啥?我想办法教你怎么做?
作者: 艾瑞克    时间: 28-6-2013 16:12
话说,lz有啥困难短我,我也是从上海来阿德的。
作者: elin-lu    时间: 28-6-2013 16:28
ericvan76 发表于 28-6-2013 15:10
我老婆也上海胃,最近怀着二宝,小黄鱼,鳗鲞我都给她做过了,你想吃啥?我想办法教你怎么做?

谢谢你,让人觉得好温暖!

只是我挑食严重!我想吃柳州的螺蛳粉!黄家沙的菜包子!老盛昌的面!还有许多其他的美食,唉,我要流口水了。。。
作者: 艾瑞克    时间: 28-6-2013 16:35
elin-lu 发表于 28-6-2013 14:28
谢谢你,让人觉得好温暖!

只是我挑食严重!我想吃柳州的螺蛳粉!黄家沙的菜包子!老盛昌的面!还有许 ...

螺蛳粉我没吃过,没办法啦
菜包子可以自己做,保证比王家沙好吃。
面也不难,关键你想吃什么浇头。
作者: flyingwave    时间: 28-6-2013 17:10
赖版,我上周也焦虑过一周。担心工作不好找。不过在linkedin把简历修改好后就不太焦虑了。
将自己未来一周/一个月/两个月要做的事情列下来,每天循环渐进的跟进。 一周后,一个月后再对比看看,就会发现自己是有进步的。
让自己充实起来,就不焦虑了。不管是生孩子,学英语,还是找工作,相信都是没有问题的。
只是要给自己多点时间,耐心,和积极的暗示。加油,会好的!
作者: flyingwave    时间: 28-6-2013 17:16
我们对未来觉得恐惧,是因为未来发展的预期不为自己所掌控,面对不能掌控的东西(新的环境),人的本能是抗拒/抵触的。 所以做好最充分的准备,不管是心理的,还是资金的,就不会再害怕了。

多看看论坛的找工贴/生活贴,也可以帮助自己缓解焦虑。呵呵。
作者: ulooo    时间: 28-6-2013 17:19
原来赖姐也在上海啊:)走之前上海移友聚会吧:)
作者: jerryzhangau    时间: 1-7-2013 18:13
欢迎大人物进村!
作者: pandatata    时间: 3-7-2013 21:55
刚来4天的人表示,我现在是慢慢陪儿子适应中,然后在担心不晓得啥时候才能有份自己的工作
作者: pandatata    时间: 3-7-2013 22:03
出发前很多朋友问我过去有啥打算,我只能说走一步看一步了
作者: s970022    时间: 3-7-2013 22:10
我刚好相反,8月要回国了。
在澳洲待了11年,很多的舍不得。
作者: chingwu    时间: 11-7-2013 13:14
flyingwave 发表于 28-6-2013 16:10
赖版,我上周也焦虑过一周。担心工作不好找。不过在linkedin把简历修改好后就不太焦虑了。
将自己未来一周 ...

说得很好 有目标才有奋斗的动力
有计划才能达成目标

乐观开朗 人定胜天!
作者: lankoo    时间: 11-7-2013 22:30
同样即将年底登陆的来寻温暖
作者: yeats_only    时间: 11-7-2013 22:50
早来早超生~
作者: pinky31555    时间: 25-7-2013 20:01
我们也在上海,11月我老公先登陆,1月我带宝宝去汇合,各种担忧源于幼小的娃~~~要是自己过去其实反而不担忧了。
作者: ellaloveb    时间: 9-8-2013 19:40
晕,阿德没那么差啦,我拿到独立技术移民8个月了,老公还不想离开阿德,至少还要呆半年,以后还不知道会不会走人,工作差不多搞定了,完全不必待在这里,可是老公喜欢这里,所以继续留下来了。
作者: ellaloveb    时间: 9-8-2013 19:43
想念国内美食的话,好好搜索华人超市吧,只有想不到,没有找不到,现在吃的比国内还好
作者: leciel95    时间: 12-8-2013 02:03
终于要来了
作者: aoe1453    时间: 13-8-2013 19:20
期待明年追随赖姐去阿德
作者: ulooo    时间: 29-8-2013 18:31
怀上没有啊:)
作者: 陈赖    时间: 29-8-2013 20:34
ulooo 发表于 29-8-2013 17:31
怀上没有啊:)

就不告诉你~
作者: leciel95    时间: 29-8-2013 20:37
暂时定居 Perth 走不了了 欢迎来Perth玩
作者: 陈赖    时间: 29-8-2013 20:39
leciel95 发表于 29-8-2013 19:37
暂时定居 Perth 走不了了 欢迎来Perth玩

好,各么perth 约会!

作者: leciel95    时间: 29-8-2013 20:48
欢迎 热烈欢迎

作者: thuier    时间: 8-9-2013 19:43
真羡慕啊,还没来就这么多人认识你了,我们当时是两眼一抹黑的摸过来的,还是6月冬天,小风那个凄凉的嗖嗖的吹啊~~~
作者: 陈赖    时间: 9-9-2013 13:11
thuier 发表于 8-9-2013 18:43
真羡慕啊,还没来就这么多人认识你了,我们当时是两眼一抹黑的摸过来的,还是6月冬天,小风那个凄凉的嗖嗖的 ...

走在路上也绝对不认识的阿
我去年来的那次也是6月, 还下着雨呢~ 画面有点凄凉~~~
作者: yisheng_honger    时间: 9-9-2013 18:30
提示: 作者被禁止或删除, 无法发言 带足银子就不怕。各种爽。
作者: yisheng_honger    时间: 9-9-2013 19:37
提示: 作者被禁止或删除, 无法发言 带足银子就不怕。各种爽。
作者: alex81915    时间: 11-9-2013 00:26
提示: 作者被禁止或删除, 无法发言 赖姐,今年年初我vET的时候两眼一抹黑,就是看的你的帖子才自己全程diy下来的,我现在也面临登陆前的恐惧症,唉!
作者: flystrong    时间: 3-12-2013 23:21
恭喜赖版登陆!我明年2月登陆悉尼,那个忧虑紧张啊,没办法的,女人太爱操心!感谢赖版的vet帖子,帮助了多少同学diy走下去啊!祝大家都好运,有份好心情,有个好心态!
作者: mattmilisa    时间: 13-12-2013 00:50
赖姐登陆了没有啊?
作者: 陈赖    时间: 13-12-2013 22:08
mattmilisa 发表于 13-12-2013 00:50
赖姐登陆了没有啊?

来了。。。
作者: zhangyuanzhi    时间: 14-12-2013 07:49
欢迎登陆阿德。
作者: panadol    时间: 16-12-2013 12:52
陈赖 发表于 13-12-2013 22:08
来了。。。

终于登陆啦?! 欢迎来到阿村. 现在哪个区呆着呢?
作者: 陈赖    时间: 26-12-2013 15:50
我,弱弱的 带着二宝,又回国了
嘿嘿
作者: yisheng_honger    时间: 26-12-2013 22:11
提示: 作者被禁止或删除, 无法发言 嗯,害怕就别着急来,等准备好了再来,土澳随时欢迎。
作者: delphi    时间: 26-12-2013 22:41
本帖最后由 delphi 于 26-12-2013 23:03 编辑

对于LZ大牛来说,阿德的确不是一个好的登陆地,反正我看除了程序员(只要理解系统需求即可,另外也没几个local在做。其他职业要求可高多了),很多人都在labor

宁愿放弃,也别来阿德混鸡肋的移民,代价太大了。要去就去悉尼和墨尔本,就像某些土澳说的--- Do not waste any more time in Adelaide! 不值得

LZ看了以下文章,也许会更加坚信自己决定的正确

http://www.pomsinadelaide.com/forum/jobs-careers/39044-adelaide-city-few-job-opportunities-subtle-racism-bleak-future.html


Adelaide - a city with few job opportunities, subtle racism and a bleak future

    For a few weeks now i have been reading various threads on this forum out of personal curiosity and to gauge the employment situation over there. I left Adelaide for Sydney in 99 and although i do miss aspects of it, reading some of your threads/posts reinforces my view that leaving was the right thing to do.

    I grew up in Adelaide during the 80s and had an idyllic childhood in several inner south eastern suburbs bordering Goodwood Road. Having completed high school and uni, the problem of finding a job reared its ugly head in the mid-late 90s. Dozens of CVs, phone calls later, still no work. Fellow grads also had mixed luck. A few of my highly qualified friends from overseas had to settle for cleaning, security or taxi driving jobs. The jobs market back then was not much better than today - with Adelaide always having the highest unemployment rate on the mainland. SA was always known as the "stagnant" state.

    Getting fed up i moved to Sydney. I am now close to 40, married with a young family. In terms of lifestyle, Adelaide beats Sydney hands down. Sydney has many of the big city problems Adelaide doesn't. However although the employment situation is also getting more difficult in Sydney, my wife and i have always had work (she has permament full time, myself temp part time). I even have 2 separate jobs on the side for a little more money - something that would have been hard to do in Adelaide. Yes Sydney is more expensive but with hard work it is manageable.

    I have only visited adelaide once since i left, that was about 4 years ago. Nothing seems to have changed. Even that guy spruiking outside a shop in Rundle Mall was still there almost 12 years later! The anti-development, conservative movement was still firmly in place. A bit earlier on, plans for a city tower were not surprisingly knocked back. The old Le Cornu site in North Adelaide still sat vacant.

    My wife being from Sydney, loved the place. We considered going back and even bought a house close to Unley High. However after careful soulsearching we decided to stay put in Sydney because of work. We ended up selling.

    Going back to Adelaide in my view would have also condemned our children to the same fate i had. Happy childhood only to grow up and face a non-existant jobs market, where you have to have private school connections to get on (or be extremely lucky).

    And for those people with names such as Ali (interesting threads btw), hassan etc you are even one more step behind the 8 ball because of your name and ethnicity. Sad to say it but that is what i have seen happen to people with "foreign" sounding names. Someone else said that employers hire locals first, then Brits and i agree. well after the brits, all other foreigners (especially newer ones) come a distant third.

    The demographics of Adelaide are also not good, with a growing elderly population, the smallest amount of young people under 15 in Oz and little investment in employment producing areas.

    If you are one of the lucky ones with a secure job, best of luck to you even though you are still paying 3 times more for the a home then you would have back in the 90s.

    if you are struggling or only finding casual, temp work that is no way to live life. And consider what Adelaide will be like 10-20 years from now when your children have grown up. Will there be a bright future with lots of employment opportunities there for them?
作者: delphi    时间: 26-12-2013 22:43
Ali, your experience is all too familiar to me. I have had many great friends in Adelaide over the years. Here is what happened to some of them and their background, education and where they ended up eventually

Aussie, mechanical engineering, Melbourne, got a job in his field
Aussie, Greek origin, chemical engineer, got a job in sydney in his field
Aussie, Hungarian origin, electrical engineer, got a job in sydney in his field
Romanian, civil engineer, stayed in Adelaide works as a bus driver
5 Phd doctorate Africans, specialty in geology, geophysics, all left Adelaide ended up in Perth, Sydney and one in tassie, all got jobs in their fields, university jobs
egyptian, dentist, stayed in Adelaide works as a taxi driver
chinese Cambodian, librarian, stayed in Adelaide works as a truck driver
A few more moved interstate where they got jobs in the police force, accountancy etc
I can list more but wont. With the exception of the Romanian and Egyptian the rest all have Aussie qualifications.

of course this list is anecdotal but what do they all have in common? We all know.

all I can say is, don't waste any more time in Adelaide!
作者: delphi    时间: 26-12-2013 22:58
南澳政府现在都靠加大罚款来度日,没有多少企业,holden也要关门了,关联企业要死一大批,经济更差,没有税收,现在就指望着骗移民进来交税,骗进一个是一个

SA这么差的经济,可是担保的职业类别却是所有州中最为全面地,不觉得奇怪吗?

OK guys,

Time to put in my two-bits worth of self centered ideas regarding this thread. I have been here in Adelaide 10 months (yesterday) and the reason I chose SA over VC was the fact that my skills and experience were highly sought for or that is what the SA government lead me to believe. I have received more than 400 rejection letters in 10 months. Lets try and brainstorm and see what the reasons might be:

1-Maybe I'm not qualified (why the hell did AIM successfully assess my qualifications and work experience then?)
2- My name is Ali (I'm not Alison) and I'm Middle Eastern
3- I don't speak English (yeah right)
4- I am migrant (yes I am)
5- I am not an Anglo migrant (correct again)
--这个就是SA企业招聘的内在逻辑

The OP has mentioned some good points here but instead of reading and understanding where he comes from some of you that know better attack his points based only on your experience or the fact that you want SA to stay the same and not to progress just like the conservative councils and government like it. You mention in your posts that part of the reason you like SA is because you like living in acres of land. Fair enough but that doesn't make the problems in the state to go away!
Many have said that they want their children to enjoy childhood here and then decide if they want to stay or not! Now this, this amazes me in a way and since I'm not married and have no children please do not get offended or take me seriously on this issue. If you are so sure to think that once your children are of an age they will move interstate or internationally in search of better job prospects and a lifestyle they can't have here in SA, why stay in SA? I'm only asking and am curious. Why are so many parents sacrificing their lives, youth and jobs just so that their children will enjoy lives just like we did? Are they really? No video games and all?

I believe many migrants give SA a go and get used to it. Get used to the suburbs, the slow pace of life and can't imagine and go through another big move interstate. If you like living in SA that is personal but please do not fight the stats and the truth of the state. I've met many people here and they all tell me the same thing. Adelaide has not changed one bit in so many years. Oh yeah, the Fringe is on longer these days!

As for me, I'm not happy with the job scene here. After 10 years of top level management I ended up working in a convenience store for 7 months. Was made redundant as they sold and closed down their businesses. Now I'm only working Fridays and Saturdays serving Yiros and cleaning tables. And yes, I'm 35. And before I forget, Middle Easterns gave me both jobs. Now my only hope is a security license that I should get my hands on soon and see if after 10-11 months I can at last get a full time job or not. Friends have told me to forget about the state sponsorship and move to another state. I come from an honor sort of society. I will stay in Adelaide until I get PR and if by then I haven't fallen in love with a girl that wants to stay here or if I haven't made myself financially sound I will bow and say goodbye and good luck to everyone that wants to stay in a state that doesn't want change!

Sorry it was long, boring and not like me.

Cheers,

Ali
作者: yisheng_honger    时间: 27-12-2013 17:31
提示: 作者被禁止或删除, 无法发言 话说很多学生毕业都去大城市工作了,南澳阿德的经济真的太差。
作者: 陈赖    时间: 28-12-2013 00:09
谢谢楼上的同学们~~ 各阶段想法 考量 都会发生变化,既然决定了,也就义无反顾
大家在那边加油,没准哪天我又杀回来了呢~
作者: yisheng_honger    时间: 28-12-2013 21:20
提示: 作者被禁止或删除, 无法发言 杀回来了来家做客
作者: 奶油香芋    时间: 2-1-2014 17:17
我比你登陆次数还多一次呢,九月来了一个多月就回去了,思考两个月后终于还是决定在元旦前登陆,这一次心理准备较充分,所以害怕的感觉小多了,只想着怎么扎根下去,就有了更多向前走的勇气。
作者: symeteor    时间: 22-1-2014 11:08
SA海滩不错。。。工作太tmd少了,完全和perth不一个级别,更不用说和mel和syd了。。。
不过房价低。。。
作者: betaqq    时间: 27-1-2014 16:50
陈赖 发表于 28-12-2013 00:09
谢谢楼上的同学们~~ 各阶段想法 考量 都会发生变化,既然决定了,也就义无反顾
大家在那边加油,没准哪天 ...

让还在elodge阶段的新童鞋很是焦虑啊
作者: ashanadsl    时间: 27-1-2014 19:03
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作者: clarkli    时间: 28-1-2014 22:53
等你过来开TJ校友会了
作者: edward1122    时间: 4-2-2014 23:25
赖姐,你又回去啦,我们都来了好久啦,还记得当时申请签证的情景,转眼一年多都过去啦。你又有老2啦,恭喜恭喜哦,好久没来freeoz,一来就看到你的好消息,好好休养,准备好了再来。。
作者: cucckoo    时间: 15-2-2014 03:22
yisheng_honger 发表于 27-12-2013 17:31
话说很多学生毕业都去大城市工作了,南澳阿德的经济真的太差。

请教一下,如果持190登陆,在其它城市找到工作了,可以去吗?SA政府会不会翻脸啊
作者: kevinwei2005    时间: 15-2-2014 08:59
cucckoo 发表于 15-2-2014 03:22
请教一下,如果持190登陆,在其它城市找到工作了,可以去吗?SA政府会不会翻脸啊

我其实不知道190是哪类。说个我知道的事, 或许对你有用。
有朋友州担保, 去了之后一段时间没有找到工作, 然后在kiwi找了工作, 他就去kiwi了。  
那个州不会不开心, 但你离开的那一刻, 计时终止, 在某个点上你还得回来积累州担保要求的时间,工作经验等等, 离开等于暂时暂停而已。
作者: cucckoo    时间: 15-2-2014 13:16
kevinwei2005 发表于 15-2-2014 08:59
我其实不知道190是哪类。说个我知道的事, 或许对你有用。
有朋友州担保, 去了之后一段时间没有找到工作 ...

非常感谢!190就是州担保技术移民,要求是在该担保州学习生活满2年。

这么看是无论如何也要在该州呆满2年了...




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