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作者: nettree 时间: 9-5-2013 16:05
标题: 关于新政策，我的ACS的CO给我回复了
今早发邮件问我ACS的CO关于新政策的事，我邮件原文如下：
I am sorry for bothering you again. But this is really vital for me.

Today, I found that the Skills-Assessment-Guidelines-for-Applicants.pdf has been updated and added the following content in Chapter 4 Employment:

4. EMPLOYMENT
Skilled employment must be of a suitable ICT professional level and relevant or closely related to the
nominated ANZSCO code to be counted toward your suitability.

Only employment completed after the date you have met the ACS requirements will be counted as
skilled employment. Please see the Summary of Criteria for additional information.

http://www.acs.org.au/__data/ass ... -for-Applicants.pdf

My major is ICT and I have the bachelor degree. I was wondering if it means that the first two years of my work experience cannot be counted as the skilled employment? For example, I've already worked as a software engineer for 5 years, and per the original ACS policy I can claim my point by using these 5-year experience in EOI, which can provide me the additional 5 point. However, seemingly, per the new policy of ACS updated recently, I only remain 3-year experience to claim, which cannot provide me the additional 5 point in EOI any more.

Could you tell me if my understanding is right?

This is important to me because if it was the new way to count the skilled employment completed(cutting down 2 years), I could not have enough points to meet the pass mark of EOI.

Thank you.
下面是CO的回复
Dear XXX,

Thank you for your email.

For a Skill Assessment only experience that has been obtained after you meet the ACS Guidelines will be considered as Skilled Employment.

It is still up to the Department of Immigration and Citizenship as to how they award points based on experience and you will need to direct your question to them.

Regards,

XXX

对于这句标红的话，我的理解是:怎么依据你的经验给你分依然取决于DIAC，你需要直接问他们

如果说真的diac还是按照原来的算，那么一切就都合理了，acs只是微调了准入规则和变更了说法，但并不影响diac的算法。

CO写的很明确，对于Skill Assessment来讲，你达到标准后的才被视作是Skilled Employment，但是至于DIAC怎么算，你还得问他们。

各位怎么看。

[ 本帖最后由 nettree 于 9-5-2013 18:58 编辑 ]

作者: hh2008 时间: 9-5-2013 16:12
diac的原话是
For the purpose of awarding points, the department considers skilled employment in the nominated occupation.....
官方的手册里写的

再配合acs这句Only employment completed after the date you have met the ACS requirements will be counted as
skilled employment.

应该是n-2了

[ 本帖最后由 hh2008 于 9-5-2013 15:17 编辑 ]

作者: sweetstar 时间: 9-5-2013 16:14
怎么看，王×八×蛋呗。即使退一万步，先不说你这个合理与否，凭什么交了钱以后，你评的过程，你变政策。

作者: snowborder 时间: 9-5-2013 16:15
我理解这就不是新政策，大家说呢？

作者: nettree 时间: 9-5-2013 16:17
2楼亮了，关键是skilled employment

作者: stkwn 时间: 9-5-2013 16:18
提示: 作者被禁止或删除, 无法发言 http://skillselect.govspace.gov. ... skilled-employment/

What is skilled employment?

For employment to be considered skilled it must meet the following requirements:

the employment must have in your nominated occupation or a closely related occupation.
the employment was undertaken after you met the entry level requirements for that occupation (that is, completed a sufficient level of study or amount of on-the-job training). If the entry level prescribed for your nominated occupation is a certain qualification only work undertaken after you have completed that qualification will be counted as skilled employment
the relevant Assessing Authority which undertook your skills assessment may also provide an opinion on your skilled employment experience. You should check with your relevant assessing authority about documents that have to be provided to allow them to provide an opinion about your skilled employment. You must provide the department with copies of all the documents that you provide your assessing authorities, when you are invited to apply.
you must have been paid for working in this nominated occupation or a closely related occupation for at least 20 hours a week. Working for at least 20 hours a week means 20 hours each week and not irregular periods that average out to 20 hours a week over a year.
Any periods of skilled employment must have been undertaken at the required skill level. For example, a person who works 4 years as a bookkeeper while undertaking accounting studies, then qualifies as an accountant as specified by an accounting body, then works 2 years as an accountant can only claim 2 years skilled employment in the nominated occupation of Accountant.

作者: nettree 时间: 9-5-2013 16:18

原帖由 snowborder 于 9-5-2013 15:15 发表

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我理解这就不是新政策，大家说呢？

原来的guide手册我还有，确实没有新加的我邮件里的那段话

作者: nettree 时间: 9-5-2013 16:22
you must have been paid for working in this nominated occupation or a closely related occupation for at least 20 hours a week.

nominated occupation or a closely related occupation. 新的acs的guide里面都是closely related occupation，不知道这俩为啥要分开说。

作者: nettree 时间: 9-5-2013 16:28
还有一种可能，只是我个人猜测，acs这次改了说法，把决定权交给了diac，规避了责任。

作者: robertclara 时间: 9-5-2013 17:04
标题: 回复 #2 hh2008 的帖子
同意～哭死了

作者: disintegration 时间: 9-5-2013 17:13
唉。完蛋啦

作者: nettree 时间: 9-5-2013 17:31
6楼的例子里面移民局并没有举出特例，我现在更关心DIAC政策是否有变，如果有变也应该可以发现针对ICT的政策放出才对，否则理论上就是按照老的走。

作者: doritething 时间: 9-5-2013 17:37
总结
DIAC签证官会是掌握生死大权的银儿现在是过去也是
只不过现在因为ACS result letter写法的变化签证官等于是有了更多的可以据你的理由而且是合乎规则的如果签证官和你纠缠skilled文字游戏的话

作者: nettree 时间: 9-5-2013 17:44

原帖由 doritething 于 9-5-2013 16:37 发表

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总结
DIAC签证官会是掌握生死大权的银儿现在是过去也是
只不过现在因为ACS result letter写法的变化签证官等于是有了更多的可以据你的理由而且是合乎规则的如果签证官和你纠缠skilled文字游戏的话

我同意，过去，现在，将来，DIAC都是拍板的。
这回改了写法，颇有深意。

作者: robertclara 时间: 9-5-2013 19:07
问题是，在eoi填工作经验的时候，是按照ACS认定的skilled employment的时间写，还是按照自己真实的工作经验时间写呢？
应该还是按照我们真实工作经验写吧，至于移民局认不认那两年，就不知道咯。

作者: davidchu3 时间: 9-5-2013 19:34
我很同意这位仁兄的意见。关于工作年限得多少分的问题，确实大权握在diac手上。diac有更大的灵活度来评判按n年来给分还是按n-2来给分。他们可以有充足的理由来解释可能出现的拒签。
心善的co会按实际年限算，心恶的co就说不准了，呵呵。关键是你还没有理由反驳他。

ACS这次变化，说穿了就是让大伙提心吊胆睡不好觉，直到签证结果出来。

原帖由 doritething 于 9-5-2013 16:37 发表

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总结
DIAC签证官会是掌握生死大权的银儿现在是过去也是
只不过现在因为ACS result letter写法的变化签证官等于是有了更多的可以据你的理由而且是合乎规则的如果签证官和你纠缠skilled文字游戏的话

作者: snowborder 时间: 9-5-2013 22:40
ACS太可恶了

作者: lmjdiana 时间: 9-5-2013 22:49
那么现在读硕士期间的工作还算不算？

作者: snowborder 时间: 9-5-2013 23:04

原帖由 lmjdiana 于 9-5-2013 21:49 发表

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那么现在读硕士期间的工作还算不算？

两回事，你的工作还是正常申请，只是计算的时候减去2-8年不等，到时候年龄分还够不够？

作者: hh2008 时间: 10-5-2013 00:37

原帖由 sweetstar 于 9-5-2013 15:14 发表

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怎么看，王×八×蛋呗。即使退一万步，先不说你这个合理与否，凭什么交了钱以后，你评的过程，你变政策。

同意，至少应该提前通知，发个告示。这点可以和acs理论，不过估计不会有啥结果。

作者: nettree 时间: 10-5-2013 12:56

原帖由 lmjdiana 于 9-5-2013 21:49 发表

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那么现在读硕士期间的工作还算不算？

我觉得硕士就别提了，直接从本科评估吧。否则从硕士开始给你算再减2年，你自己想吧。不过现在都不明朗，但是硕士又没加分，不提也罢。

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作者: nettree 时间: 10-5-2013 12:57

原帖由 hh2008 于 9-5-2013 23:37 发表

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同意，至少应该提前通知，发个告示。这点可以和acs理论，不过估计不会有啥结果。

有一哥们说澳洲经常就这么一刀切。

作者: lmjdiana 时间: 10-5-2013 13:51

原帖由 nettree 于 10-5-2013 11:56 发表

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我觉得硕士就别提了，直接从本科评估吧。否则从硕士开始给你算再减2年，你自己想吧。不过现在都不明朗，但是硕士又没加分，不提也罢。

有道理。实际上硕士期间都是在老板的公司打工，应该可以算全职。但不知道那个公司还在不在，如果已经倒闭了怎么个搞法呢？有点麻烦

作者: snowaves 时间: 1-7-2013 15:43

lmjdiana 发表于 10-5-2013 10:51

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有道理。实际上硕士期间都是在老板的公司打工，应该可以算全职。但不知道那个公司还在不在，如果已经倒 ...

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