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发表于 3-3-2011 00:03:24 | 只看该作者
哦,想起来了
我还木有背包呐
周末还得去买
破财啊,破财啊~
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发表于 3-3-2011 09:33:02 | 只看该作者
我觉得背背包也应该是有讲究的吧?

好象大一点的背包,应该是把腰带扎紧一些,让大部分背包的重量落在胯上,肩上只着一小部分力,这样才不容易累,背久了也不会象个驼背一样.所以没有腰带或者扎不紧腰带的背包应该不适合长途行走. 是这样吗?
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Pick the Right Pack The Backpack Buying Guide







Capacity Comes FirstSelecting the appropriate backpack capacity is a balancing act. You need to carry all the essentials into the backcountry, but don't go overboard. an oversized backpack with lots of non-essential stuff just means extra weight and slower going.
When buying a backpack, you need to ask yourself two questions before anything else: how long is your typical backpacking trip, and which season do you usually prefer? Camping trip lengths and seasons may ultimately vary, but you generally know whether you're more of a summer weekend backpacker or a hardcore alpinist who likes to venture into the Rocky Mountains in all four seasons.
You want just the right size backpack to hold whatever you need. When in doubt, it's okay to go up a size in terms of capacity, though. You'll only be adding a little weight for quite a bit more room. Here are some general backpack capacity guidelines:
Best Backpack Capacity by Activity
Duration of TripSeason
Best Pack Volume
Cubic InchesLiters
5 Nights or MoreSummer4000-500065-80
Spring/FallOver 500080-90
WinterOver 500080-90
3-5 NightsSummer3000-400050-65
Spring/Fall4000-500065-80
WinterOver 500080-90
1-2 NightsSummer2500-300040-50
Spring/Fall3000-350050-55
Winter4000-500065-80
Day Hike OnlySummer1500-200025-35
Spring/Fall2000-250035-40
Winter2500-350040-55
Note: Keep in mind that cold-weather trips require additional clothing, thicker sleeping bags, etc., which require more room in your pack. Also, keep in mind that some hikers eat more food or wear larger clothing, so will need more capacity in their pack.
If you take short day hikes in warmer weather, you may prefer a simple daypack orfanny pack(lumbar pack) to carry essentials like food and water. Daypacks are essentially small backpacks, while fanny packs are just the right size for a few essentials and allow more ventilation than other packs.
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Internal vs. External FramesA backpack frame transfers the weight of the load to the hips and maintains a pack's shape. Almost all packs today are internal frame backpacks, with traditional external frame backpacks becoming less popular. Internal-frame packs hug the body more than external-frame packs to offer better balance and easier movement, a feature you'll appreciate during off-trail activities like bushwhacking, mountaineering and backcountry skiing. On the other hand, external frame backpacks may offer more ventilation between your back and the pack, which can come in handy in really hot weather. They also are employed in very high-capacity backpack models.

                               
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Sizing TipsWhile you can heft just about any pack onto your shoulders, sizing a backpack correctly will make a tremendous difference once you've traveled for miles with the pack fully loaded.
For the most comfort and ease of movement, you need to transfer most of a backpack's weight to where your body best bears a heavy load: your hips. In fact, about 80% of the backpack weight should rest on your hips. To achieve this, you just need to size your backpack correctly and make the right adjustments.
You know those thingies you put your feet into to determine your shoe size? Well, they don't make those for finding your best backpack size. You've got to do a little measuring for yourself.
Measure Your Torso & HipsUsing a tailor's tape or other flexible tape, record these two measurements before shopping for a pack. If you don't have a flexible tape, you can use a piece of yarn or cord instead, then lay the marked length of yarn on a tape measure to determine the length.
Note: It really helps to have someone assist you with these measures.
  • Torso: This is the length from the prominent bump at the base of your neck - the C7 vertebra - to the center point on your spine between the tops of your hip bones. Find the top of your hip bones by running your hands down your sides until you first meet your hips at the iliac crest, then envision an imaginary line between your thumbs at the top of your hips along your back.
  • Hips/ Hip Belt: This measure obtains the girth of your hips. Measure around your body, one inch lower than the iliac crest (the top of the hip bones). This measure is less important than torso length, since most hip belts adjust to accommodate a wide range of users.

Approximate Sizing for Packs (Varies by Brand and Style): Extra Small:Fits torsos up to 15"
Small: Fits torsos 15" to 17"
Medium/Regular: Fits torsos 17" to 20"
Large/Tall: Fits torsos 20" and up
Always use the specific size guidelines listed for each backpack to determine your best pack size, not simply the general guide shown above. Also, realize that Sierra Trading Post does not offer torso measures or other fit guidelines fordaypacks, only for backpacks. Because daypacks are so small and carry so little, manufacturers treat them as "one size fits all." Some smaller "backpacks" (less than 2000 cu.in.) are essentially daypacks, and will therefore also not show a torso size range on SierraTradingPost.com.
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Fitting a Pack: Personal Adjustments Even if you determine the perfect backpack size, every time you put your backpack on you'll need to make fit adjustments before you hit the trail. Always be sure some weight is in the pack before making any adjustments; for the initial fit at home, put 15-20 lbs. of weight in the pack and try to fill most of the volume. Sleeping bags and clothes should do the trick. Here are step-by-step instructions for a comfortable fit:
  • Loosen the main straps: shoulder strap load adjusters, shoulder straps, hip belt, and hip belt load adjusters.
  • Put the pack on and fasten the hip belt.
  • Tighten the shoulder straps.
  • Tighten the load adjuster straps.
  • Shrug the load up high, then tighten the hip belt very snugly while still shrugging.
  • Go back and readjust the shoulder straps as needed.
  • Last, fasten the sternum strap to keep your shoulder straps pulled in.
Note: The sternum strap is not designed to bear weight, but merely to keep the shoulder straps in place. If this strap constricts your breathing at all, it's too tight.
Adjusting on the MoveShoulder straps too tight on the trail? To readjust your load after you get going to take some weight off your shoulders, simply follow these four steps:
  • Loosen the load adjustment straps.
  • Shrug up the backpack.
  • Tighten the hip belt (while the load is still being shrugged).
  • Relax from the shrug, then retighten the load adjusters if necessary.
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Women-Specific PacksMost manufacturers now offer women-specific backpacks to better accommodate a woman's frame. Some features of women-specific backpacks that differentiate them from unisex packs include:
  • Narrower shoulder-strap spacing
  • Reduced pack width and profile
  • Hip belt reshaping, with narrower top and wider bottom to fit the "bell" shape of a woman's hips
  • Shorter torso length
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Backpack Features Backpacks run the range from simple rucksacks with a single large pouch to high-tech, feature-laden models that Q might design for 007 (minus the smokescreen and poison-dart features). Every backpack's main features will be listed in the pack's description. Many will come in very handy, so be sure to select a pack with the best features for your activity.

                               
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Loading OptionsThere are two main categories of backpacks in terms of main-compartment loading: top-loading and front-loading.Top-loading backpacks, which usually have a drawstring on top and a protective flap over the opening, are generally lighter and designed to stuff without spilling.Front-loading backpacks, which have a zip running down the front of the pack, allow easier gear access. Some packs combine to offer both top and front loading options.
Frame/ SupportsAn internal pack frame may be comprised of stays and/ or a framesheet. Stays are vertical rods or bars that act to maintain the pack's shape and keep the weight on your hips. A framesheet appears inside the back of some packs and is usually made of high-density polyethylene (HDPE) or another composite. The framesheet is intended to prevent hard objects in your pack from poking you in the back.
Hydration CompatibilityMost backpacks coming out on the market today are "hydration compatible." For true hydration compatibility, a pack requires a few simple extras:
  • A compartment against your back (but inside the pack) that holds a water reservoir.
  • A port on one or both sides at the top of the pack to route a drinking tube from the reservoir to your mouth.
  • In some models, clips on the shoulder straps to keep the hose in place near your mouth.
Note: Most backpacks are not sold with a full hydration system (i.e., reservoir, tube and mouthpiece), which needs to be purchased separately.
Attachment Points Attachment points refer to areas on a pack where you can tie, hang or clip gear. Parachute cord or carabiners can come in handy here. Examples include:
  • Daisy Chain: A series of small vertical fabric loops running down the front of a pack.
  • Ice Axe Loops: Large loops on the bottom of the pack from which you can suspend an ice axe or similar tool.
  • Trekking Pole Lash Points: Specifically designed to accommodate collapsedtrekking poles.
Rain Cover

                               
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Rain Cover

An integrated rain cover is an invaluable backpack feature for wet climates. The cover stows in a pocket on the pack for easy deployment when rain starts falling. These covers also are good in heavy brush to prevent your pack from snagging on the understory.
Ventilated BackSome external-frame backpacks use a taut mesh fabric to create a pocket of air between your back and the pack, while many internal-frame packs use channels in the back padding to allow air flow. Also, any weight-bearing straps and padding that touch your
body should breathe well and allow for ventilation, with
a mesh construction.
Detachable Daypack

                               
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Detachable Daypack

In some backpacks, the lid or front compartment will detach to become a separate daypack or fanny pack. This is a great feature for longer backpacking excursions where you'll want to do a little light exploring near each campsite.
Compression StrapsCompression straps allow you to tighten down the load for a smaller trail volume once the pack has been fully loaded. They are usually located on the sides of the pack.
Water-Bottle PocketsA pair of mesh pockets on either side of the bottom of a backpack, located on the outside for easy access and the prevention of a wet inner pack.
Ski Carry SystemSome specialized packs have straps designed to hold your skis during a winter ascent. Usually these straps orient the skis diagonally across your back.
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Backpacking Tips
  • Pack light! Every ounce matters when you're covering lots of ground and elevation.
  • Pack the heavy stuff against your back in the middle of the pack.
  • Prepare for the worst possible weather, even if it's not in the forecast.
  • Tell someone where you're going and when you'll be back.
  • Bring plenty of water or better yet, a packable water filtration system that removes parasites like Giardia.
  • Remember extra batteries for your headlamp, flashlight and GPS.
  • Have a good map and compass, and know how to use them.
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Leave No Trace Sierra Trading Post is a proud sponsor of the Leave No Trace Center for Outdoor Ethics. Please follow the seven principles outlined below to ensure future enjoyment of your favorite hiking trails.
  • Plan ahead and prepare
  • Travel and camp on durable surfaces (Stay on the trail!)
  • Dispose of waste properly
  • Leave what you find
  • Minimize campfire impacts
  • Respect wildlife
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发表于 3-3-2011 09:45:16 | 只看该作者
这些指南都忽略了其中的10KG+是摄影器材,我一般把5KG拿在手上,然后望远镜之类挂着,镜头之类放口袋。。。然后一般减少负重就多数先砍掉炊具,牺牲伙食质量
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发表于 3-3-2011 09:56:02 | 只看该作者
如果要细分,背包还分backpacker 和mountaineering ,摄影器材有专门的摄影背包,要兼顾就会少一些feature,用起来会感觉不方便
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发表于 3-3-2011 10:14:48 | 只看该作者
原帖由 Viola 于 3-3-2011 08:19 发表

一般hiking的人不会带10kg+的摄影器材吧。

我想相机包应该放在顶部,好拿?

只要放进包基本就很少会拿了,不过有很多人是路上不拍,到了特定的点才拍,而且是徒步时候狂奔,到了点就守着狂等,目的性非常强。这种情况也应该放靠上,毕竟重心高一点舒服,不过上面最好再放少量一点东西万一淋雨有个挡的。

我在澳洲很久没有背过30L以上的了,都是一天之内。如果要走一天以上,还是不愿意放弃相机,不过会考虑长焦不拿出来,小鸟之类就放弃了,到了目的地再拍。不然真是太耗时间了。就是有时侯见到针鼹之类的比较害羞的动物,没有长焦拍不到自然不受惊扰的形态,还是挺可惜的
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发表于 3-3-2011 10:17:23 | 只看该作者
原帖由 Fernando 于 3-3-2011 08:26 发表
如果要细分,背包还分backpacker 和mountaineering ,摄影器材有专门的摄影背包,要兼顾就会少一些feature,用起来会感觉不方便

我觉得用不上爬山的,那种重心比较帖身,平时反而不太舒服。真爬山非专业的,顶多就是在BC一白天上下来回,那就除了爬山工具和水啥也别带了。上BC那一段,一般没有技術路线,更多是体力要求,普通的更适合些。另外爬山的可能更重视自重,而我则比较重视材料本身的耐磨性,尤其是在澳洲bush那种植物特别干而且多刺的环境。

摄影的那些太难用了,设计重点是保护器材。我觉得器材如果用于比较极限的运动場合那就是拿来造的了,不用这么爱惜,强烈不建议。
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发表于 3-3-2011 10:32:55 | 只看该作者
死也做不到把睡袋和帐篷横着放进背包,根本不够宽度啊
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发表于 3-3-2011 10:35:00 | 只看该作者
原帖由 HONEYWANG 于 3-3-2011 09:02 发表
死也做不到把睡袋和帐篷横着放进背包,根本不够宽度啊

帐篷横着能放入有点夸张,也许是单人登山帐吧。睡袋如果是羽绒的很容易
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发表于 3-3-2011 10:48:05 | 只看该作者
原帖由 Viola 于 3-3-2011 09:49 发表

一般hiking的人不会带10kg+的摄影器材吧。

我想相机包应该放在顶部,好拿?


一般hiking的人虽然不会带10kg+的摄影器材,但是会带10kg+摄影器材的人却是会hiking的,所以这依然是个问题。真正需要长期徒步摄影的,反而更可能是玩生态摄影的,所以器材会很重。很多动植物不hiking是不容易见到的,所以这个需求存在。只是有这样需求的人,一般不会和普通hiking的人一起走,因为行走速度会有很大区别。

[ 本帖最后由 ozbird 于 3-3-2011 10:52 编辑 ]
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发表于 3-3-2011 11:05:25 | 只看该作者

回复 #13 ozbird 的帖子

They might have porters
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发表于 3-3-2011 13:50:05 | 只看该作者
我以前也是总看这些图片放背包,后来发觉顶多做做参考。  一切都看你背包去干什么而定。

还有现实当中也不是那么简单放进去而已的。 分类最好再套DRY BAG, 第一是找起来容易,第二是防水,万一大暴雨的淋上一天至少DRYBAG里面是干的,或者背包掉入河中。 一般人睡袋都放在最下面,我们都是放在最上面。理由就是拿取容易。 睡袋用完你要套进小套里再塞进背包,看看得花多少分钟吧。 像我等早上起来 洗漱吃饭+打包不超过10分钟的,自然不会放在最下面。久而久之也就习惯了。 必进睡袋每天要用,而衣服不是每天都要换的。

还有很多小窍门,和最新高科技背包附件以后再谈
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发表于 3-3-2011 14:13:23 | 只看该作者
偶正头疼呢。下个月去低海拔徒步,那些摄影器材不知道怎么带好。尤其是有一个三角架。
跟三脚架配合比较好的包有没有什么推荐的?
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发表于 3-3-2011 15:14:00 | 只看该作者
刚才尝试了,成功地把睡袋横着放进了包里,空间又大了点了,可惜帐篷和防潮垫不行啊,只能吊在下面了
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发表于 3-3-2011 15:24:06 | 只看该作者
原帖由 ozbird 于 3-3-2011 10:48 发表


一般hiking的人虽然不会带10kg+的摄影器材,但是会带10kg+摄影器材的人却是会hiking的,所以这依然是个问题。真正需要长期徒步摄影的,反而更可能是玩生态摄影的,所以器材会很重。很多动植物不hiking是不容易见 ...


I always saw few in mountains.
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发表于 3-3-2011 15:26:55 | 只看该作者
原帖由 HONEYWANG 于 3-3-2011 15:14 发表
刚才尝试了,成功地把睡袋横着放进了包里,空间又大了点了,可惜帐篷和防潮垫不行啊,只能吊在下面了


Yours 睡袋 and 防潮垫 may be too big.
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发表于 3-3-2011 18:18:59 | 只看该作者
我那个死帐篷很重啊,只能挂在下面,要不然重心在上面晃来晃去。都是便宜货,所以只能用比较差的质量和比较高的重量来抵消了
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发表于 3-3-2011 18:37:24 | 只看该作者
原帖由 jSirius 于 2011-3-3 14:13 发表
偶正头疼呢。下个月去低海拔徒步,那些摄影器材不知道怎么带好。尤其是有一个三角架。
跟三脚架配合比较好的包有没有什么推荐的?


把相机扔了吧
旅行么还带啥相机嘛
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发表于 3-3-2011 18:37:50 | 只看该作者
原帖由 jSirius 于 3-3-2011 14:13 发表
偶正头疼呢。下个月去低海拔徒步,那些摄影器材不知道怎么带好。尤其是有一个三角架。
跟三脚架配合比较好的包有没有什么推荐的?

可以看看以色列的kata摄影包 http://www.fengniao.com/secforum/403293.html
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发表于 3-3-2011 19:19:24 | 只看该作者
我的包重的东西都放在靠近身体的地方,靠下。 而不是在顶上
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发表于 3-3-2011 19:42:46 | 只看该作者
原帖由 Viola 于 3-3-2011 18:38 发表

就是因为重才要放上面啊。

看来大家都很奢侈啊,人人都背个三人帐独享。。。



估计自己背帐篷的都是实在是没有办法和别人睡一个帐篷的。
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发表于 3-3-2011 20:17:49 | 只看该作者
原帖由 HONEYWANG 于 3-3-2011 19:42 发表



估计自己背帐篷的都是实在是没有办法和别人睡一个帐篷的。

估计和俺一样呼噜打得山响
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发表于 3-3-2011 20:50:57 | 只看该作者
原帖由 Fernando 于 3-3-2011 11:05 发表
They might have porters


靠这个挣钱的专业的一般才会有。业余玩的还是要全靠自己的。
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发表于 3-3-2011 21:52:05 | 只看该作者
你们出行一般带多少水?
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发表于 3-3-2011 22:28:44 | 只看该作者
2-3升,根据情况
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发表于 3-3-2011 22:56:01 | 只看该作者
原帖由 Viola 于 3/3/2011 21:56 发表

20km以内我带3L

徒步20KM,你只喝3升水????.  也对,你说的是不负重情况下吧。
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发表于 3-3-2011 23:07:56 | 只看该作者
看你们谈了那么多, 感觉像回到了10年前。  那时候我也是装备派, 觉得一个名牌好包背着就跟没背东西一样。  结果我下重手买了2003年度全球排名和口碑第一的包。  体会1。就是, 确实舒服一点。一份价钱一分货啊。  体会2就是这种大容积的包,你放再少东西都至少20KG的分量, 你背着走上一小时肩膀一样压出血印来。 体会3. 包好包不好,一样装量一样距离的徒步,唯一的不同就是舒适程度和痛苦指数。 所以千万不要以为买了全世界最好的包背着走路就不痛苦了。  

结果绕了那么大一个圈子我发现徒步的秘籍几十年来根本就没有变过, 就是铁脚板和铁肩膀。 没有这2样,谈啥都是没用的。好的装备只有当你有了铁脚板铁肩膀的前提下才能发挥效能。 练就铁脚板和铁肩膀的秘诀就是所有运动的秘诀---毅力。 因此很多人投生户外行列, 谁能行谁不行,从一开始就已经显而易见了。

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发表于 4-3-2011 00:14:24 | 只看该作者
原帖由 ozbird 于 3-3-2011 10:48 发表
一般hiking的人虽然不会带10kg+的摄影器材,但是会带10kg+摄影器材的人却是会hiking的,所以这依然是个问题。真正需要长期徒步摄影的,反而更可能是玩生态摄影的,所以器材会很重。很多动植物不hiking是不容易见 ...


严重同意,生态摄影的与户外各种项目爱好者的目的性和思维方式都不同,徒步只是他们达到目的的途径。

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发表于 4-3-2011 01:19:06 | 只看该作者
原帖由 y2kgo 于 3-3-2011 18:37 发表


把相机扔了吧
旅行么还带啥相机嘛

就为了听相机那一声“喀嚓”的声音。
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