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[业界新闻] 人工大脑之父放言:50年后机器人威胁人类(请热爱AI的同学们关注本帖的后续精彩讨论)

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发表于 2-7-2009 13:06:20 | 只看该作者


是啦是啦,俺大哥绝对是有坚持有追求的人!

其实呢,俺也在偷偷的做实验,是关于心理学方面的。各位都是俺的实验对象哦!

不要跑,klux说你哪!不准撒谎,stellahie说你呢!

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发表于 2-7-2009 13:07:50 | 只看该作者
绝大部分理论都是在前人的基础上推陈出新没错,
但是绝大多数伟大的理论,都是突破了前人的局限的。
你忘了铁球那个实验了么?

观点主流与否,并不是判断一个科学理论的依据。
我判断他的观点,并不因为他不是主流,只不过
是不是主流并不是我判断的依据。

我觉得主流还是非主流,讨论起来是毫无意义的。
还是讨论问题本身吧。




原帖由 klux 于 2-7-2009 12:00 发表
照这个推理,广大民科还说推翻了相对论呢,是不是也都是很有前途的?
不要看到一两个历经背道的发现成功了,就认为所有特立独行的言论都是有前途的,
绝大部分理论都是在前人基础上的推陈出新,主流科学界还是代表了科学发展的方向的
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发表于 2-7-2009 13:10:08 | 只看该作者
我觉得质疑的精神很好,不过既然参与讨论的大多是IT方面做过研究的人,

像用非主流来质疑,用作者的动机来质疑,甚至用神学理论来质疑,是不是缺点专业精神啊?

质疑一项科学理论,请用科学本身。不要问什么,为什么主流观点还没接受?你能做出来,
别人做不出来? 之类的,这种话实在不是一个研究者该问的。 如果每个研究者,都认为
只有主流科学界的观点才是对的,我自己能想到的别人都能想到,那也就没有科学的进步了。

何况主流科学界也在不停的变,30年前认为人工智能很快能实现的,也是当时的主流科学界。
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原帖由 liuhuey 于 2-7-2009 12:06 发表


是啦是啦,俺大哥绝对是有坚持有追求的人!

其实呢,俺也在偷偷的做实验,是关于心理学方面的。各位都是俺的实验对象哦!

不要跑,klux说你哪!不准撒谎,stellahie说你呢!


小弟回下贴,看来也会被刘叔列入研究对象了。。。。啦啦啦。。。。
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 楼主| 发表于 2-7-2009 13:23:43 | 只看该作者

回复 #274 青山 的帖子

我觉得大家之所以辩论起来言之无物,基本上都是对科学界AI目前到底发展到了什么水平不是真的了解造成的。反正我是不了解,我对AI的认识还是停留在大学上课的水平上。除此之外,也就是凭借自己的知识常识和判断了。如果你能把AI近年的几个研究突破,亮点告诉大家,给大家普及普及,也许辩论起来会更精彩。

不管怎么说,AI都是计算机科学的圣杯,我也相信人类一定会在这方面有所成就,绝对不会停滞不前的。
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发表于 2-7-2009 13:23:54 | 只看该作者
原帖由 青山 于 2-7-2009 12:10 发表
我觉得质疑的精神很好,不过既然参与讨论的大多是IT方面做过研究的人,

像用非主流来质疑,用作者的动机来质疑,甚至用神学理论来质疑,是不是缺点专业精神啊?

质疑一项科学理论,请用科学本身。不要问什么, ...


现阶段,我只能说,很期待你的成果。
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发表于 2-7-2009 13:27:46 | 只看该作者
原帖由 青山 于 2-7-2009 12:10 发表
我觉得质疑的精神很好,不过既然参与讨论的大多是IT方面做过研究的人,

像用非主流来质疑,用作者的动机来质疑,甚至用神学理论来质疑,是不是缺点专业精神啊?

质疑一项科学理论,请用科学本身。不要问什么, ...


要讲专业精神,那得看过他的论文之后再谈,不过那要花点时间,今天恐怕不能继续了。
我先从表象推断一下,要是不妥我再来推翻自己好了。
个人经历、主流学术界的态度,是最方便易得的表象,也有很高的准确率。
根据表象,我的结论是这个人最大的长处是会宣传,或者叫忽悠
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 楼主| 发表于 2-7-2009 13:31:02 | 只看该作者

辩论背景资料:雨果·德·加里斯 百度百科介绍

雨果·德·加里斯
      
  雨果·德·加里斯(Hugo de Garis),世界顶尖级科学家,被誉为“人工大脑之父”,开创了“可进化硬件和量子计算的研究领域,被称为EH领域之父,进化硬件和进 化工程学之父”。
  他还是2001年法国巴黎世界第一届物种优势大会主发言人;曾是美国犹他州、比利时布鲁塞尔、日本东京等重点实验室的人工智能带头人,他负责完成了世界上四个“人工大脑”中的两个,一个在日本、一个在比利时。其中在日本的人工大脑与家猫的智力相当,2000年雨果从布鲁塞尔政府获得100万美金的研究资金,回到比利时布鲁塞尔制造人工大脑,控制有数百个行为能力的 机器人。
  雨果出生于 澳大利亚悉尼,在墨尔本大学获“应用数学”和“理论物理”两个荣誉学士学位,后赴英国牛津大学学习。随后在布鲁塞尔大学研究生毕业,学习人工智能,机器学习。1987年-1991年,师从“机器学习”开山鼻祖RrszardMichalski教授,在乔治•梅森大学(GMU)人工智能中心作研究员。1992年在该大学完成博士学位,在全欧洲自然科学和工程学,评选出最具成就的60名博士候选名单中,他名列前10
  智能机器已具备自行进化能力
  雨果教授曾表示:“现在的人工智能机器并不是我们想象的那样--人类给予它们某种功能,它们才具备,否则就没有。它们已经在神经和智能上产生初级的自行进化,并且是指数速度的进化。它们将会在某天突然达到一种称作“奇点”的状态。这个理念是,当人工智能机器达到一定的智能水平(奇点)之后,它们将会“失去控制”,以我们无法想象的速度自行进化,以至于会远远地并且非常迅速地把我们抛在后面。那时候人类会怎样?我们该怎么办?现在考虑是不是已经太晚了?”“如果你认为这种神一样无所不能的人工智能机器不可能被很快制造出来的话,那么,回想一下,西拉特在20世纪30年代预测一个炸弹(原子弹)可以摧毁一座城市,当时的人们把他当作疯子的情景。”
  智能机器,未来人类所面临的致命威胁?
  美国ABC最新影片“Last Days onEarth”(《地球最后的岁月》),邀请了包括雨果·德·加里斯和霍金在内的全球最著名的七位科学家预测地球的终结,其中雨果的智能机器与霍金的黑洞等被并称为人类所面临的七大致命威胁。而由于雨果所预测的智能机器将在未来50年左右发生,因此最为急切!
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发表于 2-7-2009 13:31:45 | 只看该作者
外国教授有个很重要的任务是吸引中学生来学习科学,所以常常会接受采访,展示一些很fancy的概念。
我们学校也有人干这个。
倒不一定是坏事。
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 楼主| 发表于 2-7-2009 13:32:16 | 只看该作者

回复 #279 coredump 的帖子

我觉得在继续辩论前大家不妨找找这方面的资料给自己充充电 :
1. 可进化硬件和量子计算的研究领域
2. EH
3. 进化硬件
4. 进 化工程学
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 楼主| 发表于 2-7-2009 13:34:00 | 只看该作者

辩论背景资料:Hugo de Garis维基百科英文介绍

FROM:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_de_Garis

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Hugo de Garis (born 1947, Sydney, Australia) is a researcher in the sub-field of artificial intelligence (AI) known as evolvable hardware. He became known in the 1990s for his research on the use of genetic algorithms to evolve neural networks using three dimensional cellular automata inside field programmable gate arrays.He claimed that this approach would enable the creation of what heterms "artificial brains" which would quickly surpass human levels ofintelligence.[1]
He has more recently been noted for his belief that a major warbetween the supporters and opponents of intelligent machines, resultingin billions of deaths, is almost inevitable before the end of the 21stcentury.[2]:234 He suggests AIs may simply eliminate the human race, and humans would be powerless to stop them because of technological singularity.This prediction has attracted debate and criticism from the AI researchcommunity, and some of its more notable members, such as Kevin Warwick, Bill Joy, Ken MacLeod, Ray Kurzweil, Hans Moravec, and Roger Penrose, have voiced their opinions on whether or not this future is likely.
de Garis originally studied theoretical physics, but he abandoned this field in favour of artificial intelligence. In 1992 he received his PhD from Université Libre de Bruxelles, Belgium. He worked as a researcher at Advanced Telecommunications Research institute international (ATR), Japan from 1994-2000, a researcher at Starlab, Brussels from 2000-2001, and associate professor of computer science at Utah State University from 2001-2006. He is currently a professor at Xiamen University, where he teaches theoretical physics and computer science, and runs the Artificial Brain lab.
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Evolvable hardwareFrom 1993 to 2000 de Garis participated in a research project atATR's Human Information Processing Research Laboratories (ATR-HIP)which aimed to create a billion neuron artificial brain by the year2001.[1]The project was known as "cellular automata machine brain", or"CAM-Brain". During this 8 year span he and his fellow researcherspublished a series of papers in which they discussed the use of genetic algorithms to evolve neural structures inside 3D cellular automata.They argued that existing neural models had failed to produceintelligent behaviour because they were too small, and that in order tocreate "artificial brains" it was necessary to manually assemble tensof thousands of evolved neural modules together, with the billionneuron "CAM-Brain" requiring around 10 million modules;[3] this idea was rejected by Igor Aleksander, who said "The point is that these puzzles are not puzzles because our neural models are not large enough".[4]
Though it was initially envisaged that these cellular automata wouldrun on special computers, such as MIT's "Cellular Automata Machine-8"(CAM-8), by 1996 it was realised that the model originally proposed,which required cellular automata with thousands of states, was toocomplex to be realised in hardware. The design was considerablysimplified, and in 1997 the "collect and distribute 1 bit"("CoDi-1Bit") model was published, and work began on a hardwareimplementation using Xilinx XC6264 FPGAs. This was to be known as the "CAM Brain Machine" (CBM).[5]
The researchers evolved cellular automata for several tasks (using software simulation, not hardware):[5]
  • Reproducing the XOR function.
  • Generating a bitstream that alternates between 0 and 1 three times (ie. 000..111..000..).
  • Generated a bitstream where the output alternates, but can bechanged from a majority of 1s to a majority of 0s by toggling an input.
  • Discriminating between two square wave inputs with a different period.
  • Discriminating between horizontal lines (input on a 2D grid) and random noise.
Ultimately the project failed to produce a functional robot controlsystem, and ATR terminated it along with the closure of ATR-HIP inFebruary 2001.[6]
The original aim of de Garis' work was to establish the field of"brain building" (a term of his invention) and to "create a trilliondollar industry within 20 years". Throughout the 90s his papers claimedthat by 2001 the ATR "Robokoneko" (translation: kitten robot) projectwould develop a billion-neuron "cellular automata machine brain"(CAM-brain), with "computational power equivalent to 10,000 pentiums"that could simulate the brain of a real cat. de Garis received a US$0.4million "fat brain building grant" to develop this[7].The first "CAM-brain" was delivered to ATR in 1999. After receiving afurther US$1 million grant at Starlab de Garis failed to deliver aworking "brain" before Starlab's bankruptcy. At USU de Garis announcedhe was establishing a "brain builder" group to create a secondgeneration "CAM-brain".

Current researchde Garis published his last "CAM-Brain" research paper in 2002.[8]He still works on evolvable hardware. Using a Celoxica FPGA board hesays he can create up to 50,000 neural network modules for less than$3000.
Since 2002 he has co-authored several papers on evolutionary algorithms.
He believes that topological quantum computing is about to revolutionize computer science, and hopes that his teaching will help his students to understand its principles.[9]
In 2008 de Garis received a 3 million Chinese yuan grant (around $436,000) to build an artificial brain for China (the China-Brain Project), as part of the Brain Builder Group at Wuhan University.[10]

Employment historyde Garis' original work on "CAM-brain" machines was part of an 8year research project, from 1993 to 2000, at the ATR Human InformationProcessing Research Laboratories (ATR-HIP) in Kyoto Prefecture, Japan.de Garis left in 2000, and ATR-HIP was closed on 28 February 2001. deGaris then moved to Starlabin Brussels, where he received a million dollars in funding from thegovernment of Belgium ("over a third of the Brussels government's totalbudget for scientific research", according to de Garis).[11]Starlab went bankrupt in June 2001. A few months later de Garis wasemployed as an associate professor at the computer science departmentof Utah State University. In May 2006 he became a professor at Wuhan University's international school of software, teaching graduate level pure mathematics, theoretical physics and computer science.
Since June 2006 he has been a member of the advisory board of Novamente, a commercial company which aims to create strong AI.

Cosmists and Terransde Garis believes that a major war before the end of the 21st century, resulting in billions of deaths, is almost inevitable.[2]:234Intelligent machines (or 'artilects', a shortened form of 'artificialintellects') will be far more intelligent than humans and will threatento attain world domination,resulting in a conflict between 'Cosmists', who support the artilects,and 'Terrans', who oppose them (both of these are terms of hisinvention). He describes this conflict as a 'gigadeath' war,reinforcing the point that billions of people will be killed.[12]This scenario has been criticised by other AI researchers, includingChris Malcolm, who described it as "entertaining science fiction horrorstories which happen to have caught the attention of the popular media".[13] Kevin Warwick called it a "hellish nightmare, as portrayed in films such as the Terminator".[2]:back cover In 2005 de Garis published a book describing his views on this topic entitled The Artilect War.[2]
Cosmism is a moral philosophy that favours building or growing strong artificial intelligenceand ultimately leaving the planet Earth to the Terrans, who oppose thispath for humanity. The first half of the book describe technologieswhich he believes will make it possible for computers to be billions ortrillions of times more intelligent than humans. He predicts that asartificial intelligence improves and becomes progressively morehuman-like, differing views will begin to emerge regarding how far suchresearch should be allowed to proceed. Cosmists will foresee themassive, truly astronomical potential of substrate-independentcognition, and will therefore advocate unlimited growth in thedesignated fields, in the hopes that "super intelligent" machines mightone day colonise the universe. It is this "cosmic"view of history, in which the fate of one single species, on one singleplanet, is seen as insignificant next to the fate of the known universe, that gives the Cosmists their name.
Terrans on the other hand, will have a more "terrestrial"Earth-centred view, in which the fate of the Earth and its species(like humanity) are seen as being all-important. To Terrans, a futurewithout humans is to be avoided at all costs, as it would represent theworst-case scenario. As such, Terrans will find themselves unable toignore the possibility that super intelligent machines might one daycause the destruction of the human race -- being very immenselyintelligent and so cosmically inclined, these artilect machines mayhave no more moral or ethical difficulty in exterminating humanity thanhumans do in using medicines to cure diseases. So, Terrans will seethemselves as living during the closing of a window of opportunity, todisable future artilects before they are built, after which humans willno longer have a say in the affairs of intelligent machines.
It is these two extreme ideologies which de Garis believes mayherald a new world war, wherein one group with a 'grand plan' (theCosmists) will be rabidly opposed by another which feels itself to beunder deadly threat from that plan (the Terrans). The factions, hepredicts, may eventually war to the death because of this, as theTerrans will come to view the Cosmists as "arch-monsters" whenthey begin seriously discussing acceptable risks, and the probabilitiesof large percentages of Earth-based life going extinct. In response tothis, the Cosmists will come to view the Terrans as being reactionaryextremists, and will stop treating them and their ideas seriously,further aggravating the situation, possibly beyond reconciliation.
Throughout his book, de Garis states that he is ambivalent aboutwhich viewpoint he ultimately supports, and attempts to make convincingcases for both sides. He elaborates towards the end of the book thatthe more he thinks about it, the more he feels like a Cosmist, becausehe feels that despite the horrible possibility that humanity mightultimately be destroyed, perhaps inadvertently or at leastindifferently, by the artilects, he cannot ignore the fact that thehuman species is just another link in the evolutionary chain, and mustgo extinct in their current form anyway, whereas the artilects couldvery well be the next link in that chain and therefore would beexcellent candidates to carry the torch of science and explorationforward into the rest of the universe.
He relates a morally isomorphic scenario in which extraterrestrialintelligences visit the earth three billion years ago and discover twodomains of life living there, one domain which is older but simplerand contemporarily dominant, but which upon closer study appears to beincapable of much further evolutionary development; and one youngerdomain which is struggling to survive, but which upon further studydisplays the potential to evolve into all the varieties of lifeexisting on the Earth today, including humanity, and then queries thereader as to whether they would feel ethically compelled to destroy thedominant domain of life to ensure the survival of the younger one, orto destroy the younger one in order to ensure the survival of the olderand more populous domain which was "there first." He states that hebelieves that, like himself, most of the public would feel torn or atleast ambivalent about the outcome of artilects at first, but that asthe technology advanced, the issue would be forced and most would feelcompelled to choose a side, and that as such the public consciousnessof the coming issue should be raised now so that society can choose, hopefully before the factions becomes irreconcilably polarised, which outcome it prefers.
de Garis relates that "just out of curiosity, I asked Kevin (Warwick)whether he was a Terran or a Cosmist. He said he was against the ideaof artilects being built (i.e., he is Terran). I was surprised, andfelt a shiver go up my spine. That moment reminded me of a biography ofLenin that I had read in my 20s in which the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks first started debating the future government of Russia. What began as an intellectual difference ended up as a Russian civil war after 1917 between the white and the red Russians."[14]
It should actually be noted, however, that Warwick is really not aTerran at all, but would in fact be a member of another party de Garispredicts will emerge between the two.[citation needed] He colloquially refers to this third party as "Cyborgians",because they will not be opposed to artilects as such, but they willdesire to personally participate in the artilect colonisation of theuniverse, rather than fall into obsolescence. They will seek to become artilects by gradually merging themselves with machines, which is the main focus of Professor Warwick's cybernetics research.

Quotes
  • Humans should not stand in the way of a higher form ofevolution. These machines are godlike. It is human destiny to createthem.
— as quoted in New York Times Magazine of August 1, 1999, speaking of the 'artilects' of the future.
  • I believe that the ideological disagreements between these twogroups on this issue will be so strong, that a major "artilect" war,killing billions of people, will be almost inevitable before the end ofthe 21st century.[2]:234
— speaking in 2005 of the Cosmist/Terran conflict.
  • Twenty years from now, the author envisages the brain builderindustry as being one of the world's top industries, comparable withoil, automobile, and construction.[1]
— prediction made in 1996.
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发表于 2-7-2009 13:35:32 | 只看该作者
你顶楼这本书,不就是在这个领域的科普读物么。有些同学连读都没读,就拿所谓“主流科学界”来否定。


原帖由 coredump 于 2-7-2009 12:23 发表
我觉得大家之所以辩论起来言之无物,基本上都是对科学界AI目前到底发展到了什么水平不是真的了解造成的。反正我是不了解,我对AI的认识还是停留在大学上课的水平上。除此之外,也就是凭借自己的知识常识和判断了。如果你能把AI近年的几个研究突破,亮点告诉大家,给大家普及普及,也许辩论起来会更精彩。

不管怎么说,AI都是计算机科学的圣杯,我也相信人类一定会在这方面有所成就,绝对不会停滞不前的。
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发表于 2-7-2009 13:37:35 | 只看该作者
其实要忽悠的话我也能忽悠
我的毕设做的是brain-computer interface, 用大脑直接控制计算机,并实现了脑电波控制驾驶汽车,在崎岖的公路上稳定前进。
我号称,50年内可以实现脑机自由沟通!
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 楼主| 发表于 2-7-2009 13:37:50 | 只看该作者
keywords:

1.  evolvable hardware
2.  genetic algorithms
3. cellular automata
4. field programmable gate arrays

Hugo同学的书,论文等:
Book:
1. de Garis, Hugo (February 28, 2005). TheArtilect War: Cosmists vs. Terrans: A Bitter Controversy ConcerningWhether Humanity Should Build Godlike Massively Intelligent Machines. ETC Publications. pp. 254. ISBN 978-0882801537.

Others:

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发表于 2-7-2009 13:38:05 | 只看该作者
我们俩的判断依据完全不同,没什么可谈的。恕我直言,你这种思路,恐怕和创新精神背道而驰,倒是很符合国内教育的特点。

原帖由 klux 于 2-7-2009 12:27 发表
个人经历、主流学术界的态度,是最方便易得的表象,也有很高的准确率。
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 楼主| 发表于 2-7-2009 13:38:33 | 只看该作者
原帖由 klux 于 2-7-2009 12:37 发表
我号称,50年内可以实现脑机自由沟通!


我相信用不了那么久
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发表于 2-7-2009 13:39:33 | 只看该作者
我相信用不了那么久。你放弃了这个课题,是你自己的损失。
到时候不知道你会不会问自己,为什么人家做得出来,我做不出来?

原帖由 klux 于 2-7-2009 12:37 发表
其实要忽悠的话我也能忽悠
我的毕设做的是brain-computer interface, 用大脑直接控制计算机,并实现了脑电波控制驾驶汽车,在崎岖的公路上稳定前进。
我号称,50年内可以实现脑机自由沟通!
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原帖由 青山 于 2-7-2009 12:35 发表
你顶楼这本书,不就是在这个领域的科普读物么。有些同学连读都没读,就拿所谓“主流科学界”来否定。




科普读物不能作为严肃的科学结论。你要是用科普读物来反驳我,和我的论据也没有多大不同。
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错了,我反驳你的依据是我自己的研究。不是他的书。
我说的只是你连这本科普读物都没读,就大大咧咧地否定。

原帖由 klux 于 2-7-2009 12:39 发表


科普读物不能作为严肃的科学结论。你要是用科普读物来反驳我,和我的论据也没有多大不同。
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原帖由 青山 于 2-7-2009 12:38 发表
我们俩的判断依据完全不同,没什么可谈的。恕我直言,你这种思路,恐怕和创新精神背道而驰,倒是很符合国内教育的特点。



是吗?我倒觉得你对创新的理解和民科差不多。不过这种话就不继续说了,针对辩论对手的讨论很没劲阿
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 楼主| 发表于 2-7-2009 13:43:01 | 只看该作者
Hugo同学的研究也用到了细胞自动机原理,我记得那个Wolfram同学的A New Science也是讲的这东西,青山给我们讲讲吧。
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原帖由 青山 于 2-7-2009 12:41 发表
错了,我反驳你的依据是我自己的研究。不是他的书。
我说的只是你连这本科普读物都没读,就大大咧咧地否定。


你也是做人工大脑研究吗?或者和他有类似的课题?不然你怎么能用你的研究来证明他的观点呢
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原帖由 coredump 于 2-7-2009 12:23 发表
我觉得大家之所以辩论起来言之无物,基本上都是对科学界AI目前到底发展到了什么水平不是真的了解造成的。反正我是不了解,我对AI的认识还是停留在大学上课的水平上。除此之外,也就是凭借自己的知识常识和判断了。如 ...


青山同学已经否定了主流
要推陈出新
我们只能期待了

core同学一定要看一些实际的“主流”进展,不妨了解一下
语音识别与语音合成,这方面的资料比较公开,也有很多sample系统,算是比较成功的。
CMU的sphenix值得一看

基于统计学的自然语料分类器,可以参考rainbow

中文方面,北大以前和NEC合作做了一个中文语料系统,分词方面算是很成功,
相关的信息可以看这里:http://icl.pku.edu.cn/icl_intro/

搜索引擎技术应用方面,国内有一个每年都举得的Search Engine and Web Mining Group,
请参考:http://sewm.pku.edu.cn/about.html

CMU的Machine Learning比较出名,可以参考:http://www.ml.cmu.edu/
上面正好有个Genetic Network的新闻:http://www.cmu.edu/homepage/heal ... ic-networking.shtml

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原帖由 青山 于 2-7-2009 12:41 发表
错了,我反驳你的依据是我自己的研究。不是他的书。
我说的只是你连这本科普读物都没读,就大大咧咧地否定。


另外我很乐意拜读你的研究
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 楼主| 发表于 2-7-2009 13:46:04 | 只看该作者
原帖由 klux 于 2-7-2009 12:42 发表


是吗?我倒觉得你对创新的理解和民科差不多。不过这种话就不继续说了,针对辩论对手的讨论很没劲阿


卡拉克斯同学,还是先充充电再来论吧,虽然你也是AI行家,不过咱们辩论不能老是停留在表面上,否则辩来辩去就那两句,大家都没进步啊。
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我是做自然语言理解的。我所支持的他的观点,就是人工智能在我们可见的将来,会超越人类智慧。可能在几十年内。
这个判断,他从他的研究得出,我也从我的研究得出。我证明的不是他人工大脑的具体工作,而是他的这个观点。
后续的讨论,也都是基于这个观点。

原帖由 klux 于 2-7-2009 12:43 发表

你也是做人工大脑研究吗?或者和他有类似的课题?不然你怎么能用你的研究来证明他的观点呢
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其实在前边的讨论中,我的研究的原理性的东西我说了不少了。具体的论文要等发表了才能在这里贴,不然我导师还不吃了我?

原帖由 klux 于 2-7-2009 12:44 发表

另外我很乐意拜读你的研究
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《智能简史:谁会替代人类成为主导物种》

http://www.du8.com/books/nov859.shtml

感兴趣的同学可以去读读原作。

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回复 #287 coredump 的帖子

他说要五十年,你说不要那么久...

他说人工智能不靠谱,你说确有可行性......

就算你说对了他错了,这个辩论有什么意义呢?
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原帖由 coredump 于 2-7-2009 12:46 发表


卡拉克斯同学,还是先充充电再来论吧,虽然你也是AI行家,不过咱们辩论不能老是停留在表面上,否则辩来辩去就那两句,大家都没进步啊。


你这可是偏心了阿,是青山同学先讨论起我的

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